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During my mission for the cult, a good companion of mine handed me a copy of the Adam God doctrine from the Journal of Discourses and out of the blue asked me, What do you think of this? Needless to say it changed my Mormon world view, and it was the real beginning of the end for me and my devotion to Mormonism.
I spent three days trying to wrap my mind around old Brighams pronouncements and had myself partially convinced that it could still fit it in with my Mormon definition of deity. However, I needed more insight from someone wiser than myself, so I went to visit my mission president, a former institute director at Texas A&M.
I presented him with my new found doctrinal dilemma, and his words to me were as follows, Well Elder Swedeboy, the Adam God doctrine is a theory just like Noahs flood. I could not believe my ears, and as he began to baffle me with his bullshit, I began to believe again, almost. After about thirty minutes of his spiritual reassurance that all is well, I said my goodbyes and left.
After returning home, marriage, kids and everything else, the question of Adam as God continued to surface and rear its doctrinally confusing head, begging to be resolved. I tried over the years to put my concerns to rest by reading apologist after apologist arguments, and of course what Bruce had to say about it in his book, Mormon Doctrine, and as they baffled me with their bullshit, I began to believe again, almost.
Thank God this thorn was lodged into my mind, and as it festered and machetied its way through my Mormon programming. It gave me pause to think over the years, and continue on my quest to find the truth.
In my post Mormon studies of all things Mormon, I came across an excellent explanation of this Mormon doctrinal conundrum from H. Michael Marquardt.
In this post you will further understand why this is an important issue to understand from Mormonisms past. It is a clear doctrinal shift which clearly shows the lack of inspiration and doctrinal clarity which is so prevalent in the Mormon church.
I hope you will enjoy discovering more about this doctrinal epiphany as I have.
Outline Relating to the LDS Temple Endowment and the Teachings of Brigham Young
Creations Gods:
On 8-9 March 1842 Joseph Smith worked on his Book of Abraham, "and they organized and formed, (that is, the Gods,) the heavens and the earth" (Times and Seasons 3 [15 March 1842]:720, words rearranged in Abraham 4:1). Who or how many Gods were involved is not known for sure. In the Nauvoo temple endowment as organized by Brigham Young the Gods were identified as three in number, that is, Eloheem [Elohim], Jehovah [also spelled Yahovah] and Michael. Michael had been previously identified by Joseph Smith as "Adam, the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days" (LDS D&C 27:11, added to early text in 1835).
Characters in the Nauvoo Temple
Nauvoo Temple Organization: 10-13 December 1845:
H. C. Kimball presides as Eloheem,
Orson Hyde as Jehovah and
George A. Smith as Michael
(Heber C. Kimball Journal kept by William Clayton, entry of 10 Dec. 1845, LDS archives)
The following persons officiating
Orson Hyde as Eloheem
Orson Spencer as Jehovah
George A Smith as Michael
later that day -
Heber C. Kimball acting as Eloheem
George A. Smith as Jehovah
Orson Hyde as Michael
(Heber C. Kimball Journal, entry of 11 Dec. 1845)
Pres[ident] Young acting as Eloheem
P.P. Pratt as Jehovah
Orson Hyde as Michael
"During the whole of the three days already spent in the endowment, President Brigham Young presided and dictated the ordinances and also took an active part in nearly every instance except when entirely overcome by fatigue through his constant labors to forward the work." (Ibid., 12 Dec. 1845)
"Last evening an arrangement was made establishing better order in conducting the endowment. Under this order it is the providence of Eloheem, Jehovah and Michael to create the world . . ." (Ibid., entry of 13 Dec. 1845).
President Brigham Young's Teaching
Here we have the name/titles of the three creation Gods. Except for Michael the identities of Eloheem and Jehovah are not spelled out. Brigham Young mentioned, "It is true that the earth was organized by three distinct characters, namely, Eloheim, Yahovah, and Michael . . ." (Journal of Discourses 1:51, 9 April 1852).
In this same discourse (as published) President Brigham Young said:
When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. . . . the seed was brought from another sphere, and planted in this earth. . . . When Adam and Eve had eaten of the forbidden fruit, their bodies became mortal from its effects, and therefore their offspring were mortal" (Journal of Discourses 1:50, emphasis in original).
What we have are three creation Gods, Eloheim, Yahovah [spelled that way in the Endowment House records] and Michael. They are not the Father, Son and Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) but a different trinity. They are like a LDS priesthood presidency of three (Elder's Quorum, High Priest Quorum, First Presidency, Mission Presidency, Temple Presidency). But there are now two trinities, the regular Father, Son and Holy Ghost and the creation Gods Eloheim, Yahovah (Jehovah) and Michael. Brigham Young taught that in order to create a world a man would have received his exaltation as a God. At a Special Conference held on 28 August 1852 he explained it as an important key to understanding:
After men have got their exaltations and their crowns--have become Gods, even the sons of God--are made Kings of kings and Lord of lords, they have the power then of propagating their species in spirit; and that is the first of their operations with regard to organizing a world. Power is then given to them to organize the elements, and then commence the organization of tabernacles. How can they do it? Have they to go to that earth? Yes, an Adam will have to go there, and he cannot do without Eve; he must have Eve to commence the work of generation, and they will go into the garden, and continue to eat and drink of the fruits of the corporeal world, until this grosser matter is diffused sufficiently through their celestial bodies to enable them, according to the established laws, to produce mortal tabernacles for their spiritual children. This is a key for you" (Journal of Discourses 6:275).
Some individual journals mention the teachings of Brigham Young about Adam/Michael but not all church members believed in Adam being God or understood what he was talking about. Apostle Orson Pratt opposed the doctrine from 1852-1868. It is evident that if the interpretation of the creation Gods was taught in the Nauvoo Temple like Brigham Young was explaining then Pratt probably would have accepted it. But it appears to have first been publicly taught in April 1852.
At the church conference held on 8 October 1854 Brigham Young preached a powerful discourse that was not published until the 1970s. Warren Foote recorded, "8th We went to conference again. President B. Young delivered an interesting discourse concerning Adam's being the father of our spirits as well as bodies" (Warren Foote Journal, 8 Oct. 1854, original in LDS archives, typed copy).
Joseph Lee Robinson also recorded what Brigham Young taught:
Oct. 6th. Attended conference, a very interesting conference, for at this meeting President Brigham Young said thus, that Adam and Eve were the names of the first man and woman of every earth that was ever organized and that Adam and Eve were the natural father and mother of every spirit that comes to this planet, or that received tabernacles on this planet, consequently we are brother and sisters, and that Adam was God, or Eternal Father" (Joseph Lee Robinson Journal, 6-8 Oct. 1854, LDS archives, typed copy).
This "Discourse by Pres. Brigham Young Oct 8th 1854" (in LDS archives) has been published in an edited version. A copy is in The Essential Brigham Young (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1992), 86-103. A few quotes from the discourse:
But let us turn our attention to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Father of our spirits (93).
The God and Father [of] our Lord Jesus Christ is the Father of our spirits (94).
I tell you more, Adam is the Father of our spirits. He lived upon an earth; he did abide his creation, and did honor to his calling and Priesthood; and obeyed his Master or Lord, and probably many of his wives did the same, and they lived, and died upon an earth, and then were resurrected again to Immortality and Eternal Life (96).
Our spirits and the spirits of all the human family were begotten by Adam, and born of Eve (97).
Adam planted the Garden of Eden, and he with his wife Eve partook of the fruit of this Earth, until their systems were charged with the nature of Earth, and then they could beget bodies, for their spiritual children (98)
I tell you, when you see your Father in the Heavens, you will see Adam; when you see your Mother that bear your spirit, you will see Mother Eve (99).
At the School of the Prophets in June 1871 President Brigham Young taught, "Elohim, Yahova & Michael, were father, Son and grandson. They made this Earth & Michael became Adam" (Joseph F. Smith Journal, 17 June 1871, LDS archives). So this would mean:
Elohim = Father of Yahovah
Yahovah = Son of Elohim
Michael = Grandson of Elohim = Adam = God the Father
Jesus would be the only begotten son of Michael/Adam. This may explain the words of President Young made in 1862:
The Father frequently came to visit his son Adam, and talked and walked with him; and the children of Adam were more or less acquainted with their Grandfather, and their children were more or less acquainted with their Great-Grandfather . . ." (Journal of Discourses 9:148, 12 Jan. 1862).
Brigham Young died in August 1877. At the October 1880 conference the Pearl of Great Price was accepted as the fourth standard work of the church. In various publications on gospel topics many writers emphasized that Adam and Eve were spirits before earth life. They used the Book of Moses in the Pearl of Great Price (portion dictated in 1830) as their basis. This was more in line with Orson Pratt's position. There were church members who believed what President Young taught and others who had views based upon LDS scriptures. James E. Talmage wrote his book Articles of Faith which was published by the church.
Finally in June 1916 Talmage wrote the official statement on The Father and the Son which was accepted by the First Presidency and the Twelve as the position of the church on the Godhead. In essence Adam/Michael as God, the Father of our spirits and Father of Jesus Christ as taught by President Brigham Young was replaced by Elohim as God and Father. This statement has the following relating to Elohim:
The purport of these scriptures is to the effect that God the Eternal Father, whom we designate by the exalted name-title "Elohim," is the literal Parent of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and of the spirits of the human race.
Prior to 1916 the interpretation of who the creation Gods were (as described by President Young) gradually changed. There was confusion over this issue for many years. It appears that during the Presidency of Joseph F. Smith the Michael in the temple endowment ceremony changed from being an exalted God who helped create the world to being a spirit personage "God." Elohim became God with Jesus Christ becoming the Jehovah creation God.
So part of Brigham Young's teaching expressed in his April 1852 discourse to priesthood members is rejected and part is accepted. At the time when President Young preached he was considered inspired. The conference minutes stated that the Holy Ghost rested upon Brigham Young at the time.
Current LDS Godhead:
Father = Elohim = God the Father
Son = Jehovah = Jesus Christ
Holy Ghost = spirit personage
Those who go through the endowment ceremony are taught that three Gods planned and organized the world and all things on it. Two of these Gods, that is, Jehovah and Michael were organizers under the direction of the third, Elohim. When the Gods had pronounced the world good, Michael, now designated as Adam, with Eve, was to commence the procreation of the children of men. Adam was given dominion over all the earth.
In the endowment ceremony men must follow Adam, and women follow Eve through all the priesthood ordinances if they are to become Gods. They are promised, if they are faithful, that they can become as Adam and Eve and create their own worlds and beget their own spiritual children to inhabit them. This is what Brigham Young was teaching. Currently in the church it is taught, after the change in the creation Gods, not to believe that the above applies to Adam. Church leaders teach that men can become Gods by following Adam but we are not to believe that Adam attained to that position.
| I'm still attending church but it has been a good six months to a year since I began questioning the LDS faith and even God's existence.
The catalyst that sparked the process of questioning everything was a combination of having a friend who was an exmo and atheist who I respect and know well enough that I can assume that he had really good intellectual reasons for making that transition followed by my viewing on DVD of this program, http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/..., the Lost Tomb of Jesus.
I felt that the documentary lacked any conclusive proof that Jesus had not resurrected. The information, however, did "make it okay" for me to actually intellectually question a belief that I had held since about 6 or 7 when my Mom joined the LDS church on the basis of faith and social reinforcement alone.
Examining my willingness to believe something for which I had no concrete evidence was the beginning of the end. What was more disturbing was that I found myself justifying my questioning these elemental foundational points of doctrine and history by means of various teachings within the church such as "the glory of God is intelligence," and other statements made by leaders about how the truth will conquer all, etc.
The early Mormon history, going back to original documents, clearly shows irreconcilable discrepancies (lies, deceit, whatever you want to call it) that clearly show things did not happen as current Church leadership would have one believe. The combination of a lack of evidence to support the Book of Mormon and the accumulation of evidence that discredits claims made by the Book of Mormon (and about the BoM by Church leaders) continue to strain credulity to the point where I feel embarrassed on behalf of the Church for its need to ask people to subscribe to this system of belief based on an emotional feeling in one's heart alone.
The premise that anything that is written that doesn't inspire faith and conviction in the Church/Gospel/"Truth" HAS to be of the devil and apostate is so completely contrary to a rational, intelligent approach to gaining knowledge and evaluating ideas to the point of being ridiculous.
To me, Galileo's predicament with the Catholic church on the falseness of the doctrine of the earth being the center of the universe and unmovable is a perfect example of how history repeats itself when this example is called upon to act as a comparison to the LDS, dogmatic assertion that LDS doctrine (the whole spectrum) must be true because God revealed it.
As a Mormon, in the past I would have to admit to having looked upon the Catholic leadership in the early 1600's as being backward, silly, stupid people who preferred to believe in falsehood because of their "false interpretations" of the scriptures rather than to draw an open-minded conclusion based the evidence that was easily open to their personal examination if they were of such a mind to do so. Embarrassingly enough, I felt pride and security in knowing that I belonged to the True Church that would never commit such a blind and foolish error because the restored gospel encompasses all truth in one, etc.
The ultimate question I've had to ask myself is, "Why would a God, who's glory consists of intelligence, require, as a condition for salvation/exaltation, that his own sons and daughters who are endowed with an intellect (arguably the crowning glory found within us) set aside that intellect when trying to come to a knowledge of the truthfulness of the gospel?"
I've arrived at the conclusion that it is actually okay, and even intelligent, wise, prudent, smart, effective, reasonable, rational, productive, useful and just a good idea to expect anything that claims to be the truth to hold up to the rigorous demands and tests that our intellect can put it through.
I would be dead by now if it weren't for the marvels of modern medical science. In an effort to preserve a degree of anonymity, for the present moment, I won't go into details. When I look at all the significant achievements of mankind, from the pyramids of ancient Egypt all the way up to the marvels we see as everyday aspects of our lives today, they are the product of man's ability to apply reason and interpret in a sane, open-minded way the evidence the natural world presents before him on how things work.
Why does religion get such an unquestioned, so easily proffered, "get out of rationality free" card? Try reconciling that from the viewpoint of a religion that claims the glory of God is intelligence.
| Adam, Eve And Jesus Liked Hanging Out In America: And Mormons Wonder Why Folks Think They're Weird
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Mormonism Presents:
"The United States of the Garden of Eden."
But, wait! There's more! The sequel:
"The United States of the Resurrected Jesus."
Jeeeeezus is right.
Mormons apparently are oblivious to how stupid their church comes across to the Mainstream Other when they solemnly testify on national TV to some of their more bizarre beliefs.
For instance, on 19 October 2007, on CNN's program "Anderson Cooper 360," CNN national correspondent Gary Tuchman interviewed Russell Ballard, billed on the program as an "apostle" and "top Mormon leader."
Lordy.
Below is what Ballard blaffingly blubbered for all the country to scratch its collective head over:
TUCHMAN (voice-over): "Mormons believe in the Old and New Testaments but also in the Book of Mormon. Think of it as kind of a sequel to the Bible."
BALLARD: "We believe that the Garden of Eden was on this continent."
TUCHMAN (on camera): "So that the Garden of Eden wasn't in the Holy Land?"
BALLARD: "No, not in our doctrine."
TUCHMAN (voice-over): "For Mormons, Eden was in Missouri, and Jesus Christ visited the Americas after the resurrection."
BALLARD: "We know that He came and taught the people and restored the Gospel to them."
TUCHMAN (on camera): "Has Jesus returned here to the United States, in your beliefs?
BALLARD: "Oh, yes."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...
Oh, really??
"Oh, yes."
No wonder most folks think that Mormons are just plain whacked.
Next thing you know, they'll be insisting they can create their own worlds, their own Adams, their own Eves and their own saviors--meaning themselves, the Latter-day gods.
Nah.
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