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The Book Of Abraham is a book created by Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith purchased some papyrus that was found with an Egyptian mummy. Joseph claimed that the papyrus contained the Book of Abraham and thus created the "Pearl Of Great Price".
Modern day Egyptologists have translated the Joseph Smith Papyrus Facsimiles, as well as other documents that did not make it into the facsimiles - but were part of the original collection of Papyri. Their conclusion: The documents are entirely different from what Joseph Smith said.
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The Book Of Abraham is a book created by Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith purchased some papyrus that was found with an Egyptian mummy. Joseph claimed that the papyrus contained the Book of Abraham and thus created the "Pearl Of Great Price".
The Rosetta Stone was discovered in 1799 by French soldiers digging near
some ruins. Some prliminary work had been done by scholars in Europe prior to the
1821/1822 breakthru by the Frenchman Champollion using a rubbing from the
Rosetta Stone. Due to the esoteric nature of the subject, however, it is
quite implausible that this information had reached the Americas except for
a few Amercan scholars in 1830. Therefore, it is 99.9% certain that Joseph
Smith did not have ANY knowledge of Egyptian hieroglyphs whatsoever. The
errors on his facsimilies, such as adding the head of a man missing from the
god Anubis, is an obvious error. Anubis had the head of a jackal.
Modern day Egyptologists have translated the Joseph Smith Papyrus Facsimiles, as well as other documents that did not make it into the facsimiles - but were part of the original collection of Papyri. Their conclusion: The documents are entirely different from what Joseph Smith said.
Current Mormon Apologists have retreated to the position that either (A) there are missing portions of the papyri that Joseph Smith translated the Book Of Abraham from or (B) that the existing papyri were just "catalysts" for a kind of "translation" that wasn't literally from the papyri. Both explanations conveniently ignore the fact that we have the facsimiles and Joseph Smith's faux translation, and his repeated insistence that these were really written by Abraham and that he really translated them literally.
| | What Is The Rosetta Stone And How Does It Help Prove Joseph Smith Did Not Properly Translate The Egyptian Papyrus? Monday, Feb 20, 2006, at 11:44 AM Original Author(s): Infymus Topic: BOOK OF ABRAHAM - SECTION 1 -Guid- | ↑ | What is the Rosetta Stone?
The Rosetta Stone
The Rosetta Stone is a stone with writing on it in two languages (Egyptian and Greek), using three scripts (hieroglyphic, demotic and Greek).
Why is it in three different scripts?
The Rosetta Stone is written in three scripts because when it was written, there were three scripts being used in Egypt.
The first was hieroglyphic which was the script used for important or religious documents.
Detail of hieroglyphic and demotic script on the Rosetta Stone
The second was demotic which was the common script of Egypt.
The third was Greek which was the language of the rulers of Egypt at that time.
The Rosetta Stone was written in all three scripts so that the priests, government officials and rulers of Egypt could read what it said.
When was the Rosetta Stone made?
The Rosetta Stone was carved in 196 B.C..
When was the Rosetta Stone found?
The Rosetta Stone was found in 1799.
Who found the Rosetta Stone?
The Rosetta Stone was found by French soldiers who were rebuilding a fort in Egypt.
Where was the Rosetta Stone found?
The Rosetta Stone was found in a small village in the Delta called Rosetta (Rashid).
Why is it called the Rosetta Stone?
It is called the Rosetta Stone because it was discovered in a town called Rosetta (Rashid).
What does the Rosetta Stone say?
The Rosetta Stone is a text written by a group of priests in Egypt to honour the Egyptian pharaoh. It lists all of the things that the pharaoh has done that are good for the priests and the people of Egypt.
Who deciphered hieroglyphs?
Many people worked on deciphering hieroglyphs over several hundred years. However, the structure of the script was very difficult to work out.
After many years of studying the Rosetta Stone and other examples of ancient Egyptian writing, Jean-François Champollion deciphered hieroglyphs in 1822.
How did Champollion decipher hieroglyphs?
Champollion could read both Greek and Coptic.
He was able to figure out what the seven demotic signs in Coptic were. By looking at how these signs were used in Coptic he was able to work out what they stood for. Then he began tracing these demotic signs back to hieroglyphic signs.
By working out what some hieroglyphs stood for, he could make educated guesses about what the other hieroglyphs stood for.
The Rosetta Stone is very important in Mormon history. When Joseph Smith obtained the papyrus, nobody could understand the hieroglyphics on the papyrus. Joseph was easily able to create a story and make it believable. Today, with lasting pieces of the Joseph Smith papyrus (those not hidden away in church vaults), the world has seen that Joseph's translation of the papyrus was completely bogus.
| The Book Of Abraham (BoA) issue is a microcosm of all the larger problems with Mormonism and its apologetics. There's a lot to be said here, but just a few points:
- The ad hoc nature of apologetics. Before the discovery and translation of the papyri, no one ever postulated that the translation was anything but literal. JS was clear on the matter. Only after it was clearly proven that the translation could not have been literal did apologists begin to suggest that there was some other kind of translation going on. (You also see this with the LGT. No one thought to question the hemispheric model until it became clear that the evidence did not support it.)
- A shift in the attitude of the Church towards its history. Before the discovery and translation of the papyri, many of the Brethren (most notably, perhaps, N. Eldon Tanner) sincerely expected them to vindicate JS, and were eager to get them translated. Since the BoA debacle, the Brethren appear to have learned that any "new" discoveries with regard to Church history or doctrine are more likely to harm than help the Church. You see this in BoM archaeology, and also in the Hoffman affair, as church leaders obviously had reason to believe that there were documents in existence that were very unflattering to JS. The rise of "faithful history" is likely a direct result of lessons learned from the BoA incident. (Philo describes this shift from an attitude of "Let's find out!" to one of "Don't look!" around the 1960s in one of his essays.)
- The surprising ability of the faithful to "shelve" doubts. The fact is, there are no good apologetic answers to the BoA problem. Different apologists favor different theories, but in the end all rely on faith. They are forced to admit that we don't know why JS's translation doesn't correspond with the papyri--perhaps we'll find out in the next life. Many believers who know about the BoA problem are somehow able to put this doubt on the shelf and await "further light and knowledge." The problem with this approach is that anything in the world can be true, if only you are willing to shelve your doubts. You can believe the earth is flat if you want. You don't need to explain why it looks round from space or why people seem to be able to circumnavigate the globe in every direction. Just put those doubts on the shelf for now, and trust that it will all make sense in the future.
- Widespread ignorance of Church history among the members. When I first learned of the BoA problem, I was somewhat surprised that I had never encountered it before. The same could be said for the BoM issues, and things like MMM, Hoffman, JS's polygamy/polyandry, Kinderhook plates, etc. While I wouldn't expect the Church to openly teach non-faith-promoting things, I was nevertheless surprised at how much I had never heard of, despite my nearly perfect attendence at church meetings, seminary, MTC, BYU religion classes, etc. throughout my youth. It's very possible that I never would have found out about any of these things without the Internet. That fact alone sheds some light on the Church's ability to thrive in spite of all these problems.
| In the Book of Abraham, the daughter of Ham and "Egyptus" discovered the land of Egypt while it was still underwater from the Noachic flood, and settled her sons there. That conjures up an image of Egyptus jumping off the ark wearing a snorkel, and coming up a few minutes later exclaiming "Hey kids! There's LAND under this water! Let's settle down here!"
The itsy-bitsy problems with the story's believability are that
a) archaelogical research shows that the land of Egypt had been continuously occupied by humans for thousands of years before the alleged era of the mythical Noah
b) The name "Egypt" was given to the land by the invading Greeks many centuries AFTER the time of the mythical Noah. The ancient Egyptians had called their land "Kemet," meaning black soil, referring to the rich Nile delta earth.
Meaning, the BOA is discredited by that one anomaly alone.
| The closest thing the church has ever come to an official statement on the problems with the Book of Abraham was in the July 1988
issue of the Ensign Magazine. Granted, this article did not come from a General Authority. But the fact that the church published
this in The Ensign comes close to an official statement. If this Ensign article is false, then that would mean church leaders
allowed lies to be printed in the church's official publication.
This is an excellent article to share with TBM
friends and relatives because it admits the basic facts about the Book of Abraham papyri and facsimiles.
Below is a
summary of quotes from the article, with my comments in parenthesis:
Ensign, July 1988, Page 51:
"Why
doesn't the translation of the Egyptian papyri found in 1967 match the text of the Book of Abraham in the Pearl of Great
Price?"
"The papyri in question are a part of the collection of Egyptian mummies and papyri that the Prophet
Joseph Smith bought from Michael Chandler in 1835. After the Prophet's death, the papyri were lost to the Church. But in 1966,
Dr. Aziz S. Atiya, a professor of Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Utah, discovered some twenty-two separate papyri
fragments in the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City, which were clearly part of Joseph Smith's original
collection. The papyri were acquired by the Church, and they are now located at Brigham Young University."
(Note:
The church has always admitted that the rediscovered papyri is the same one in the possession of Joseph Smith.)
"..some people have concluded that this Book of Breathings must be the text Joseph Smith used in his translation of the book of
Abraham."
(Note: This "some people" making the conclusion includes the Mormon Church, which under the direction of
Apostle N. Eldon Tanner, sent out for the translation, expecting it to prove Smith's true translation abilities.)
"However, there are some serious problems associated with this assumption. First of all, from paleographic and historical
considerations, the Book of Breathings papyrus can reliably be dated to around A.D. 60-much too late for Abraham to have
written it. Of course, it could be a copy-or a copy of a copy-of the original written by Abraham. However, a second
problem arises when one compares the text of the book of Abraham with a translation of the Book of Breathings; they clearly are
not the same..."
(Note: Notice how the church is admitting the two basic facts 1: The papyri is too young to have
been written by Abraham and 2: A real translation of the papyri doesn't match the book of Abraham. So how are they going to
squirm out of this?)
"Actually, there are two possible explanations why the text of the recently discovered papyri
does not match the text in the Pearl of Great Price."
(Note: There are actually THREE possibilities.)
"One
explanation is that it may have been taken from a different portion of the papyrus rolls in Joseph Smith's possession."
(Note: This has been proven false since the release of Smith's translation dictionary. Characters from the existing fragments
match those in Smith's notes that he attributes to the BoA. Besides, the facsimiles in the Book of Abraham are the ones in the
discovered papyri.)
"A second explanation takes into consideration what Joseph Smith meant by the word
translation. While translating the Book of Mormon, he used the Urim and Thummim rather than dictionaries and grammars of
the language. Translating with the Urim and Thummim is evidently a much different process than using the tools of scholarly
research."
(Note: According to Church History, the angel Moroni had already permanently taken back the Urim and
Thummin years earlier. The Book of Commandments, Smith's Journal and William Clayton's Journal all say Smith used his brown peep
stone for the Book of Abraham translation. Later, the D&C changed all references of "peep stone" to "urim and thummim.")
"Instead of making a literal translation, as scholars would use the term, he used the Urim and Thummim as a means of
receiving revelation."
(Note: Joseph Smith really used his brown peep stone, the same rock-in-the-hat trick he used to
dictate all of the Book of Mormon and the first sections of the D&C)
"..as Joseph Smith used the word, he could have
received the meaning, or subject-matter content of the original text, as he did in his translation of the Bible. This explanation
would mean that Joseph Smith received the text of our present book of Abraham the same way he received the translation of the
parchment of John the Revelator-he did not even need the actual text in front of him."
(Note: So then why did he even
have the papyri? This explanation is completely bogus because the Book of Abraham contains Smith's "translations" of facsimile
drawings included in the papyri. If it wasn't a literal translation, why does the BoA today show the facsimile drawings? Besides,
didn't Smith tell everyone he used the papyri as the source? That's what it still says in the introduction to the BoA in the
scriptures. And Abraham 1:12 actually references the facsimile image included in the papyri!)
"His translation of the
Bible, parts of which are in the book of Moses in the Pearl of Great Price, was also done without having the original text before
him."
(Note: This sounds familiar. According to official church history and eyewitnesses, Smith dictated whole
sections of the Book of Mormon while the gold plates were hidden in the woods or under a bed.)
"In reality, the actual
method Joseph Smith used is far less important than the resulting book of scripture he produced."
(Note: This is
where the church throws out reason. They are basically telling you to ignore the facts and evidence in front of you.)
"In the final analysis, however, the proof of the truth of the book of Abraham does not come by human means."
(Note: What does "human means" mean? Why can't a real translation verify Smith's translation claims?)
"I have
studied the book of Abraham, and the truth of it has been made known to me in a way I can't deny. I know that anyone who
earnestly wants to know if the book of Abraham is true can also receive this same witness and knowledge from God."
(Note: The third possibility they chose to ignore is that the translation is a hoax. Based on the facts, which of the three
possibilities is most likely to be correct?)
Want to know more? Check out this web site: http://www.irr.org/mit/boapage.html
For a really good
explanation of how the church obtained the papyri, authenticated it and then tried to cover it all up, read "Quest for the Gold Plates: Thomas Stuart Ferguson's
Archaeological Search for the Book of Mormon." A large portion of this book is on the story of the Book of Abraham fiasco.
To read the complete July 1988 Ensign article see:
http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensi.....
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SMITH WROTE OTHER SCRIPTURES BESIDES THE BOOK OF MORMON
Encouraged by the success of his first bible, Joseph Smith proceeded to write other "scriptures." One of these is known as The Book of Abraham and is published today as part of a volume known as The Pearl of Great Price.
THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM
Unlike The Book of Mormon, which merely dull or silly, depending upon how much coffee one has been drinking, The Book of Abraham has a rather unpleasant side. Until recent years, it was used to justify the racist policies of the Mormon church. Blacks formerly were not allowed to hold the "priesthood." Since almost all postpubertal Mormon males are priests and since Mormon women can't amount to anything unless they marry a man who does hold the priesthood, this dogma effectively kept Blacks out of the "white and delightsome" Church of Jesus of Latter-Day Saints.
The offensive passages are to be found in Chapter I, verses 20-27. Verse 24 ends with a reference to the biblical "curse of Ham": "From Ham sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land."
Verses 26-7, referring to Pharaoh (whom Smith supposed to be a Negro), say that Noah "cursed him (Ham and his descendants) as pertaining to the priesthood. No Pharaoh being of that lineage by which he could have the right of priesthood," and so on.
IN ALL FAIRNESS
Now I must admit, in all fairness, that these passages are rather mild stuff and aren't as bad as the bible passages which were used by the Christian clergy to justify slavery. And I must inform the reader that although missionaries still do not go out in search of black converts, Blacks nowadays can hold the priesthood if they desire. The head of the Mormon church -- the "Chief Seer and Revelator" -- a few years ago got a message direct from his god to change this policy. The change came just in the nick of time, too, since civil rights legislation was making it harder for racist organizations to feed at the federal money-trough.
THE TRANSLATION OF ABRAHAM'S PAPYRI
How did Joseph Smith come to write this book?
Well, it was 1835. The Mormons had moved from New York state to Ohio. Michael Chandler, a traveling showman, came to Kirtland on July 3, 1835, exhibiting some Egyptian papyri and mummies. Smith declared the papyri contained the autographic writings of the patriarchs Abraham and Joseph of Egypt and that he could read them! The Mormons bought the mummies and the papyri.
When Josiah Quincy visited Smith later at Nauvoo, Illinois, Smith told him, "That is the handwriting of Abraham...this is the autograph of Moses, and these lines were written by his brother Aaron." In fact, the introduction to The Book of Abraham still reads, "The writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt...written by his own hand, upon papyrus.
Armed with his magic seer stone, this would-be prophet set to work and "translated" The Book of Abraham. Unique among the holy books of the world, The Book of Abraham comes equipped with three illustrations.
FACSIMILE 1
Facsimile 1 is accompanied by fantastic interpretation given by Joseph Smith. According to Smith, the "bird" in the upper right is "the angel of the Lord" and the man with the knife is an idolatrous priest trying to make a sacrifice of Abraham (the guy on the check-out counter to the left of the cash register).
Toward the end of the eighteenth century, when more and more scholars appeared who actually could read Egyptian -- even without the use of magic stones -- this interpretation was challenged. The "bird" was not an angel, but the ba or soul of a deceased person. Furthermore, it was claimed, its face had been changed. It should have a human face. The reclining figure wasn't Abraham; it was Osiris being called back to life by Anubis, the god of the dead and of embalming. The so-called priest -- it was claimed over one hundred years ago -- had been altered! He actually should have the head of a jackal and should not have a knife in his hand.
FACSIMILE 2
The second facsimile is rather different from the first, and Smith claimed it has to with astronomy. The accompanying explanation is chock-full of nonsense such as "one day to cubit," "fixed planets," and made-up words such as "Jah-oh-eh" and "Oliblish."
Although the writing in the illustration was too poorly copied for Egyptologists to make much sense out of it, it was noted a century ago that not everything was kosher. Although the writing along the top border is in hieroglyphics, starting at about one o'clock, the writing becomes cursive (hieractic), continuing to about five o'clock, where-upon it becomes hieroglyphics again! A similar peculiarity is seen in the right-central section of the figure. here each line is hieroglyphic on the left end and cursive on the right end. "Something's fishy here," said the experts.
FACSIMILE 3
The third facsimile Smith claimed depicts Abraham upon Pharaoh's throne discoursing on astronomy with Pharaoh behind him. The person standing in the center is a prince, flanked by the king's waiter, and the black person on the far right is -- you guessed it! -- a slave.
Experts a hundred years ago said, "Baloney!" The scene actually depicts the judgment of a deceased person, and the characters are, from left to right, Isis (female!), Osiris on the throne, Maat (female!), the deceased, and Anubis the jackal-headed god. Today, of course, the experts still say the same thing. Unfortunately, the writing on the facsimiles was so poorly reproduced (deliberately, I would assert) that Egyptologists could not say for sure just what the writings did say, even though it was certain that Smith's interpretation was pure blarney.
THE CHANGE IN 1966
But everything changed in 1966. In that year, Jerald and Sandra Tanner, two ex-Mormons who became full-time debunkers of the faith of Brigham Young, obtained a microfilm of a document which had been hidden and suppressed by the Mormon church for over 130 years: Joseph Smith's notebook entitled "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar". Part of the microfilm contained material in Smith's own handwriting, with his signature.
One such page reads "Valuable discovery of hidden records that have been obtained from the ancient burying grounds of the Egyptians, (signature) Joseph Smith, Jr." Other pages are in the handwriting of several of the "prophets" secretaries.
SMITH'S NOTEBOOK
What is the nature of this notebook? It is, I believe, a show Smith put on for the benefit of his secretaries, a pretense of actually being able to decipher Egyptian. Champollion, in France, had just succeeded in deciphering Egyptian, but in the wilds of America no one yet knew this. So Smith was free in this notebook to make up anything he wanted, confident he could get away with it. After a number of pages of absolute word-hash, we see him making up The Book of Abraham.
QUOTES FROM SMITH'S NOTEBOOK
The word-hash is so mad, however, that I cannot resist quoting a few lines. Smith's explanation of the meaning of a simple vertical stroke -- a single line -- is as follows:
"Beth-Ba-eth. This character is from the first degree. It has an arbitrary sound or signification which is Beth; and also a compound sound which is Za and comprise one simple sentence for its signification. It is only increased or lessened in it signification, or enlarges the sentence. Two connections increases its signification still: Three increases it still: Four increases still and five still, This is as far as a sentence can be carried in the first degree." (punctuation as in original)
Proceeding to the pages containing the characters from which The Book of Abraham was derived, we find Egyptian characters arrayed vertically on the left side of each page, with the verses of scripture allegedly translated from them on the right. At the top left of one such page, we find a character resembling a backward "E" --from which Smith derives the seventy-six words of verse 13 and 14 of Chapter 1!
CAN IT BE BELIEVED?
Can it be believed? Seventy-six words from one character? The idea becomes even more preposterous when we find that this character isn't even an entire Egyptian word: it's just a "determinative," a sign used to give the reader a clue as to the general meaning of the word of which it is a part. In this case, the sign signifies "water." The word of which it is a part is the Egyptian word for "pool."
The real find, however, in the "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar" was the discovery of Smith's working version of Facsimile 2, the circular figure ( p 32). In exactly every place where the Egyptologists had claimed there was something fishy in the published plate in Joe's notebook we have empty spaces and called it inspiration! The critics could not have been vindicted more perfectly.
AN AMUSING ITEM
An amusing item: in the notebook version of Facsimile 2, the hieroglyphics are clear enough to be read. At about nine o'clock we can make out a hieroglyph of a bull. Reading from there towards six o'clock, we apparently can make out the phrase, "great bull who can copulate without equal..." Can this be a cryptographic prophesy of the second coming of Brigham Young -- who had how many wives?
The "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar" would have been enough evidence to convict Joseph Smith of fraud, even if we didn't have any further evidence. But we do, we do!
THE "SMOKING PISTOL"
The "smoking pistol" itself has been found -- not in the vaults in Salt Lake City, but in the Metropolitan Museum in New York City.
The smoking pistol consists of the actual papyri Smith got from Chandler, the traveling showman -- including the papyrus from which the characters in the "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar" had been copied, and the papyrus original of Facsimile 1. Although the papyri had been discovered in the museum in the same year in which the Tanners had published the "Grammar," it wasn't until the following year, 1967, that the papyri were given to the Mormon church by the museum.
THE DIVINE GUIDANCE
The divine guidance which is supposed to guide the "Chief Seer and Revelator" of the church apparently was vacationing on the planet Kolob in 1967, for the church authorities foolishly agreed that the papyri were authentic and were indeed the originals from which Joseph Smith translated The Book of Abraham.
THE OFFICIAL STORY
The official story -- the hope, as it were -- was that the papyri had burned up in the great Chicago fire, although there is evidence that at least some Mormon officials knew the papyri still existed and thought it best to let sleeping dogs lie. Although the plates from which The Book of Mormon had been translated had been taken back to heaven after Smith's library card expired -- conveniently making it impossible to check up on Smith's claims -- the papyri behind the Abraham opus were still on earth, and could be checked! Publication of the papyri dealt what
EXAMINING FACSIMILE 1
If we examine the original of Facsimile 1, we see that the head of the so-called priest is missing. The experts said he should have the head of Anubis the jackal-god. Smith, not knowing anything about Egyptian religion, put a man's head on the figure. There is no knife in the picture either. Strike two. Smith made it up. There is no head on the ba-bird. Strike three. Smith put a bird's head on the ba -- not an unreasonable mistake if a man is uninspired and knows no Egyptology. But for the founder of a religion and a man who claims divine guidance in his interpretations, this is devastating.
But the picture wasn't the only thing "Holy Joe" filled in out of his fertile imagination. If we examine Fig. 4, a picture of the scrap of papyrus from which Smith derived the entire Book of Abraham, we may note the arrow pointing to the backward "E" discussed previously. Three lines below it, we can see some of the characters used to fill in the right-central part of Facsimile 2 (sector 14 right side of Fig. 2). Unfortunately, Smith inserted these characters upside down. How odd of god to tell Smith what all these squiggles meant, but never thought to tell him which way was up!
CONTINUING OUR EXAMINATION
Continuing our examination of Fig. 4, we note that there is a deep, triangular cleft in the papyrus, extending from the upper right-hand corner downward to the fourth line of writing. The characters on both sides of the fissure can be found in Smith's notebook, together with the corresponding verses of The Book of Abraham.
Guess where in this papyrus Smith got the anti-Negro verses! The whole holy business about the "curse of Ham" comes from the hole! As Smith copied the characters from the papyrus into his notebook, he made up the curse-of-Ham characters to fill in the cleft in the original. Embarrassingly, he made up too many of them to fit in the space available!
EGYPTOLOGIST TRANSLATION
Egyptologists have now translated all the Joseph Smith papyri -- including the parts Joseph said could not yet be revealed -- and we can say without fear of contradiction that the materials have nothing to do with Abraham or with Blacks. They are delightfully pagan in nature, and nothing Jewish can be seen in them. They are part of the Book of Breathings -- a late abridgment of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. In fact, these papyri date from approximately the beginning of the Christian era and are about two thousand years too late to contain the autograph of Abraham!
THE MAJOR RELIGIONS
The major religions of the world began too long ago for anthropologists to be able to reconstruct accurately the complex interactions between fraud, delusion, and honest ignorance which went into their manufacture. In the case of Mormonism, however, a very scientific case can be built up to show quite unambiguously the role of chicanery in the formation of this most uniquely American religion. Joseph Smith dared to invent a new religion in the age of printing!
| My vote for the most damning thing in the Standard Works is this:
“. . . the writings of Abraham, while he was in Egypt, called the Book of Abraham, written by his own hand upon papyrus.”
The Book of Abraham should be the church’s best missionary tool. Why?
Because those papyri were supposedly handwritten by Abraham. That would make them the ONLY original Biblical writings in existance. There are NO original writings from any Biblical authors – not even from the New Testament. Nobody knows what Moses’, Jesus’, or Paul’s handwriting looks like. However, the Mormons know what Father Abraham’s handwriting looks like because they have his handwritten scriptures!
Another thing that should be significant is that Abraham wrote them 500 years before Moses wrote Genesis. That alone would make the papyri valuable because they would be the oldest Biblical writings.
All of Christendom should be falling over themselves to study the Book of Abraham papyri. Quite simply, the Book of Abraham papyri (if real) should be one of the most significant historical documents in the world.
But it’s not.
The papyri do not date back far enough and the translations given by real scholars don’t have anything to do with Abraham or the Bible. They are common Egyptian burial texts. The fact that nobody outside of Mormondumb cares about the BoA speaks volumes to me.
And the apologetic excuses for the BoA are just hillarious. To believe in the BoA you have to believe that God used Pagan Egyptian burial texts as secret code for his sacred scriptures. Or that Joseph Smith didn't mean what he said when he said that Abraham hand wrote them. Or my favorite: that God tricked JS into thinking he was translating the papyri when he was actually just receiving direct revelation. Wow!
I have decided that the next time a TBM gives me a hard time about my disbelief I will share this insight with them. What scriptures would you like to share with a TBM?
| | Ensign Magazine Questions The Truth About The Book Of Abraham Monday, Jan 30, 2006, at 07:16 AM Original Author(s): Deconstructor Topic: BOOK OF ABRAHAM - SECTION 1 -Guid- | ↑ | The closest thing the church has ever come to an official statement on the problems with the Book of Abraham was in the July 1988 issue of the Ensign Magazine.
Granted, the church article did not come from a General Authority. But the fact that the church published it in the Ensign comes close to an official statement. If this Ensign article is false, then that would mean church leaders allowed lies to be printed in the church's official publication.
This is an excellent article to share with TBM friends and relatives because it admits the basic facts about the Book of Abraham papyri and facsimiles.
Below is a summary of quotes from the article, with my comments in parenthesis:
Ensign, July 1988, Page 51:
"Why doesn't the translation of the Egyptian papyri found in 1967 match the text of the Book of Abraham in the Pearl of Great Price?"
"The papyri in question are a part of the collection of Egyptian mummies and papyri that the Prophet Joseph Smith bought from Michael Chandler in 1835. After the Prophet's death, the papyri were lost to the Church. But in 1966, Dr. Aziz S. Atiya, a professor of Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Utah, discovered some twenty-two separate papyri fragments in the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City, which were clearly part of Joseph Smith's original collection. The papyri were acquired by the Church, and they are now located at Brigham Young University."
(Note: The church has always admitted that the rediscovered papyri is the same one in the possession of Joseph Smith.)
"..some people have concluded that this Book of Breathings must be the text Joseph Smith used in his translation of the book of Abraham."
(Note: This "some people" making the conclusion includes the Mormon Church, which under the direction of Apostle N. Eldon Tanner, sent out for the translation, expecting it to prove Smith's true translation abilities.)
"However, there are some serious problems associated with this assumption. First of all, from paleographic and historical considerations, the Book of Breathings papyrus can reliably be dated to around A.D. 60-much too late for Abraham to have written it. Of course, it could be a copy-or a copy of a copy-of the original written by Abraham. However, a second problem arises when one compares the text of the book of Abraham with a translation of the Book of Breathings; they clearly are not the same..."
(Note: Notice how the church is admitting the two basic facts 1: The papyri is too young to have been written by Abraham and 2: A real translation of the papyri doesn't match the book of Abraham. So how are they going to squirm out of this?)
"Actually, there are two possible explanations why the text of the recently discovered papyri does not match the text in the Pearl of Great Price."
(Note: There are actually THREE possibilities.)
"One explanation is that it may have been taken from a different portion of the papyrus rolls in Joseph Smith's possession."
(Note: This has been proven false since the release of Smith's translation dictionary. Characters from the existing fragments match those in Smiths notes that he attributes to the BoA. Besides, the facsimiles in the Book of Abraham are the ones in the discovered papyri.)
"A second explanation takes into consideration what Joseph Smith meant by the word translation. While translating the Book of Mormon, he used the Urim and Thummim rather than dictionaries and grammars of the language. Translating with the Urim and Thummim is evidently a much different process than using the tools of scholarly research."
(Note: According to Church History, the angel Moroni had already permanently taken back the Urim and Thummin years earlier. The Book of Commandments, Smith's Journal and William Clayton's Journal all say Smith used his brown peep stone for the Book of Abraham translation. Later, the D&C changed all references of "peep stone" to "urim and thummim.")
"Instead of making a literal translation, as scholars would use the term, he used the Urim and Thummim as a means of receiving revelation."
(Note: Joseph Smith really used his brown peep stone, the same rock-in-the-hat trick he used to dictate all of the Book of Mormon)
"..as Joseph Smith used the word, he could have received the meaning, or subject-matter content of the original text, as he did in his translation of the Bible. This explanation would mean that Joseph Smith received the text of our present book of Abraham the same way he received the translation of the parchment of John the Revelator-he did not even need the actual text in front of him."
(Note: So then why did he even have the papyri? This explanation is completely bogus because the Book of Abraham contains Smith's "translations" of facsimile drawings included in the papyri. If it wasn't a literal translation, why does the BoA today show the facsimile drawings? Besides, didn't Smith tell everyone he used the papyri as the source? That's what it still says in the introduction to the BoA in the scriptures. And Abraham 1:12 actually references the facsimile image included in the papyri!)
"His translation of the Bible, parts of which are in the book of Moses in the Pearl of Great Price, was also done without having the original text before him."
(Note: This sounds familiar. According to official church history and eyewitnesses, Smith dictated whole sections of the Book of Mormon while the gold plates were hidden in the woods or under the bed.)
"In reality, the actual method Joseph Smith used is far less important than the resulting book of scripture he produced."
(Note: This is where the church throws out reason. They are basically telling you to ignore the facts and evidence in front of you.)
"In the final analysis, however, the proof of the truth of the book of Abraham does not come by human means."
(Note: What does "human means" mean? Why can't a real translation verify Smith's translation claims?)
"I have studied the book of Abraham, and the truth of it has been made known to me in a way I can't deny. I know that anyone who earnestly wants to know if the book of Abraham is true can also receive this same witness and knowledge from God."
(Note: The third possibility they chose to ignore is that the translation is a hoax. Based on the facts, which of the three possibilities is most likely to be correct?)
Want to know more? Check out this web site: http://www.irr.org/mit/Book-of-Abraham-page.html
For a really good explanation of how the church obtained the papyri, authenticated it and then tried to cover it all up, read "Quest for the Gold Plates: Thomas Stuart Ferguson's Archaeological Search for the Book of Mormon." A large portion of this book is on the story of the Egyptian papyri fiasco.
| | Some Comments On Farms' Response To Robert Ritner's Article On The Book Of Abraham Monday, Mar 27, 2006, at 07:49 AM Original Author(s): Randy Jordan Topic: BOOK OF ABRAHAM - SECTION 1 -Guid- | ↑ | From the closed thread. Substrate provided the link:
>http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=review&id=561
First off, the author, Larry Morris, is identified as "a writer and editor with the Institute for the Study and Preservation of Ancient Religious Texts at Brigham Young University." He holds an MA, not a doctorate, and is not an Egyptologist. Since John Gee is a Mormon Egyptologist, and is the subject of much of Ritner's criticism, one wonders why Gee did not compose a response to Ritner, rather than Morris. Is Morris running interference for Gee?
Morris wrote:
>These three fragments, found on a mummy discovered in a Theban tomb, were owned by an Egyptian priest by the name of Hor. They are part of a larger text sometimes called the "book of breathings." Baer suggests, however, that "breathing permit" is actually a better translation. In addition, these fragments are sometimes known as the "sensen" text, from the Egyptian snsn, or breathing. Hence, these names all refer to the same text.
Great---the FARMS author agrees that the papyrus fragments are an Egyptian funerary text. Joseph Smith said that the fragments were associated with "The Book of Abraham." So the FARMS author agrees that Joseph Smith was clueless as to the true meaning and purpose of the documents.
Morris's complaints about Ritner's "tone" and "anti-Mormon attacks" are hypocritical and diversionary. LDS apologistetics, in particular Hugh Nibley, have and can be laced with ad hominems and polemics. (Need I cite Nibley's "No Ma'am, That's Not History" or William Hamblin's "Metcalfe Is Butthead" comment as examples?) Also, Ritner is hardly alone in his criticism of Nibley: such Mormons as BYU professor Kent Jackson and Nibley's own daughter, Martha Nibley Beck, have criticized Nibley's scholarship and fast-and-loose usage of sources.
Morris's complaints about Ritner's tone are merely typical Mormon whining. Mormons expect the world to treat them and their church with utmost respect and reverence, while they don't grasp the fact that most of the world holds Mormonism in much the same regard they do Scientology or Reverend Moon. Morris needs to save his whining and moaning for somebody who cares.
Morris writes:
>In the very first sentence of his Dialogue article, Ritner steps out of his area of expertise to make a controversial claim that really has nothing to do with his stated purpose of reexamining the Breathing Permit of Hor. He announces, as if it were an established fact, that the eleven papyrus fragments once owned by Joseph Smith–and given by the Metropolitan Museum of Art to the Church of Jesus Christ in 1967–were "employed as the basis for 'The Book of Abraham'" (p. 97). Of course, whether Joseph Smith employed these fragments as the "basis" of the Book of Abraham is not established at all–this is the issue that has sparked such a long and heated debate over the origin of the Book of Abraham.
As I detailed in posts to "anon" in this thread, Joseph Smith indeed claimed that the fragments including the three "facsimiles" were part of his "Book of Abraham." If Morris denies this, he is either ignorant or a liar.
>Further, this is not an Egyptological question, for the debate does not center on a translation of the fragments.
To the contrary, the very *HEART* of this debate centers on whether Joseph Smith possessed the ability to translate ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. It doesn't matter whether there are any "missing" scrolls or not. Joseph Smith obviously had no clue as to the meaning of the fragments which are in existence, so since his credibility is shot, the debate is over.
Morris then rehashes the typical Mopologetic defense that the existence of the Kirtland Egyptian Papers (a.k.a. the "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar") do not prove that Smith used the hieratic characters in the Sen-sen text as the source for his BOA "translation." This is a typical diversionary tactic, designed to obfuscate the fact that whether or not Smith used the EA&G characters does not negate the fact that he was clueless as to the correct meaning and purpose of the documents in general. *NONE* of Smith's papyrus fragments have anything whatsoever to do with Abraham, or Judeo-Christianity in the least. Facsimile No. 1 does *NOT* depict Abraham being attacked by a wicked priest. Rather, it depicts a common Egyptian funerary scene. That error alone ends the debate about Smith's credibility.
Morris then complains about Ritner's "ridiculing" the content of the BOA, saying that earlier Egyptologists didn't do that. I say, why not ridicule what is so obviously ridiculous? As I wrote to "anon" in another post, Smith's tall tale about Egypt being discovered and named by "Egyptus" (while it was still under water from the Noachic flood, no less!), is ridiculous on its face. The land of Egypt had been occupied for many centuries before the mythical flood, and no alleged devastating global flood interrupted Egyptian civilization in the least. Smith's assertion that Egypt was named after "Egyptus" is also a farce. So what it wrong with ridiculing the ridiculous? It is somehow worse than ridiculing (for instance) Scientology's or the Heaven's Gate cult's ridiculous, concocted-out-of-whole-cloth beliefs?
Well, Carrie's calling supper, and this is enough for one post anyhoo. Maybe I'll add more later.
| In 1912 copies of the Book of Abraham Facsimiles were sent to eight of the world's leading Egyptologists - asking each for their assessment of Joseph Smith's interpretation of the papyrus.
The eight Egyptologists and Semitists who responded were unanimous in their scathing verdict: "Joseph Smith's interpretation of these cuts is a farrago of nonsense from beginning to end," came the report from the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, which added that "five minutes study in an Egyptian gallery of any museum should be enough to convince any educated man of the clumsiness of the imposture;"4 ". . . difficult to deal seriously with Smith's impudent fraud," wrote another from Oxford, England. "Smith has turned the Goddess into a king and Osiris into Abraham."5 From Chicago, ". . . very clearly demonstrates that he (Joseph Smith) was totally unacquainted with the significance of these documents and absolutely ignorant of the simplest facts of Egyptian Writing and civilization."6 And from London, ". . . the attempts to guess a meaning are too absurd to be noticed. It may be safely said that there is not one single word that is true in these explanations."7 - By His Own Hand Upon Papyrus:
A New Look at the Joseph Smith Papyri
Part 1 (Chapters 1-4) By Charles M. Larson
FARMS response? Joseph Smith was able to see things in the Papyrus that someone without the power of God could not see. FARMS's BYU "professors" then cross their fingers behind their backs and hope that Mormons will swallow this bitter pill.
Joseph Smith was nothing more than a conman - who succeeded in conning thousands of people at the time he purportedly “translated” the Papyrus. We now fully understand the Papyrus was nothing more than a funerary scroll, however, Mormonism continues to lie to its members stating the Papyrus was the “Word of God”.
| I remember when I first went to the FARMS website. I was really excited about the articles about the BoA. As I started reading Nibley's articles I started to get the feeling that the topic of the BoA was very complicated and almost required several college level classes in Egyptian history and language to even begin to address it. I remember not having the slightest clue about half of what Nibley was saying the first few times I read his articles. The more I read the more I became aware of the fact that Nibley and his still living counterparts were rebutting critics of the BoA. I bounced back and forth, reading critique and rebuttal. At first I thought he apologists were doing quite well. I would read some fact that a critic would bring up and search and search until I found an answer from the apologists. I don't remember if those first points that the critics were really bad ones, or if I was still a little brainwashed.
Eventually, I started gathering critic points quicker than the apologists were answering them. Then I started noticing that the apologists weren't even addressing some points. The propoganda tools I thought I caught them using ran the gambit from ad hoc theories to strawmen arguements and every fallicious arguement in between. I finally got a basic understanding of what the BoB and BotD where. I read Charles Larson's book. I had a couple of small critques for him, but these were areas where I thought that he pulled punches.
Tonight, while reading a post by Concrete Zipper I was directed to a link for the Book of Abraham Project. I tried to be patient and read the whole page. Maybe I am delusional about my understanding of the issues. Maybe I have over simplified the issues surrounding the BoA. However, one must only compare JS's explanation of any of the Facsimiles to a proper Egyptian's translation to determine that JS could not translate Egyptian. Did he claim that he could. I am pretty sure that he did. I am also pretty sure that he claimed he could do it by using his position as a prophet that was entitled to translate scripture. The apologists have come up with all sorts of convoluted theories about the BoB having two meanings, missing scrolls, etc. that have about their basis in a small amount of truth. I guess I have come full circle. I still believe that their main goal is to confuse anyone new to the issue. Except, I am no longer confused by what they say. In my opinion the vast majority of writings about the BoA are nothing more that smoke and mirrors.
Maybe I am being simplistic, but if the BoA does not prove that JS was not a prophet then it comes pretty damn close. I am beginning to think that they are intentionally trying to confuse people.
| Mormons are taught that all of the Papyrus that Joseph Smith used to translate the Book of Abraham were destroyed in a fire. It is one of the first apologetic words out of their mouths when critics ask to see the Papyrus for proper translation.
In 1966, a University of Utah researcher at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York made a startling find in the archives of the museum. While looking at a collection of some fragments of Egyptian papyrus rolls, he recognized one of the illustrations on one of the fragments as nearly identical to the "Facsimile 1" wood-cut that appears in the Mormon Book of Abraham. Further investigation proved what he suspected--these were some of the original papyrus fragments that were purchased by the LDS in 1835. In 1967, the Museum presented the papyri as a gift to the LDS Church. It was time for Evans' challenge to be taken up by Mormon critics.
The Church itself did some of the investigative work in comparing the results of modern studies in Egyptology applied to the papyri to the claims Joseph Smith had made for his work on the Book of Abraham. But when it became obvious that the results were going to be painfully uncomfortable for the Church, work became very slow. Outside researchers eventually obtained adequate copies of the material and began publishing their own results.
The bottom line of the investigations by all--one of the sections of papyrus was clearly the Egyptian writing from which Smith claimed to "translate" the Book of Abraham. There were still handwritten copies of the original translation work which showed the individual Egyptian figures down the left margin of a page, with the English translation right next to it. The handwriting on these copies was by Smith's regular scribes who helped him in his work. These Egyptian figures are clearly seen in a section of one of the recovered papyrus sections, all in exactly the same order that they appear on the handwritten "translation" pages.
But scholar after scholar both inside and outside the LDS Church declared that there was absolutely no connection between the text of the Book of Abraham and the actual content of the Egyptian documents. The papyri were clearly identified by one and all as examples of completely ordinary "funerary" documents of ancient Egypt. The section used by Smith was from a document called the Book of Breathings. It contained the specific name of the deceased individual it had been prepared for, and would have accompanied that person in their burial setting to provide them guidance in the after life, as it included "spells" which the deceased could use in the afterlife to learn to "breathe" again. Other papyrus fragments from the collection were from the Egyptian Book of the Dead, an earlier collection of writings with a similar purpose. The Book of Breathings was an abbreviated version of the Book of the Dead, used in the later eras of Egyptian history. In fact, the papyrus used by Smith from which to derive the Book ofAbraham has been dated by scholars to the first century AD--almost 2000 years after the time of Abraham.
When the recovered papyrus was discovered in 1966, something else was discovered--the original that Smith had used had pieces missing, including portions of the picture in Facsimile 1. Smith had obviously commissioned an artist to "fill in" the missing details according to Smith's speculation of what would have been in the missing sections. Below is a photo of the actual scroll fragments. It can be clearly seen what portions were "reconstructed" for publication in Mormon writings. The papyrus had obviously been glued to a heavy paper backing at the time it was in Smith's possession (the back side of the backing paper had a map of the Kirtland, Ohio area, and architectural drawings for a temple), and crude sketching is obvious in the missing areas of the illustration.
The study of Egyptian funerary art has progressed extensively during the intervening century, and it is painfully obvious to modern Egyptian scholars that Smith's speculations missed the mark. Below is a modern reconstruction of what the missing pieces likely contained, based on contents of similar funeral documents.
And instead of this being a portrayal of an attempt by an idolatrous priest to sacrifice Abraham, contemporary Egyptian scholars identify it as a mythical stylized funerary scene portraying the embalming and expected resurrection of Osiris, god of the underworld. The human-headed bird on the right would portray the soul of Osiris getting ready to return to his body. The bird hovering over the center of the body is a falcon representing Osiris's wife Isis, "in anticipation of the procreative act which will make Isis pregnant with their son Horus." (Larson, p. 102) The jars with heads below the couch are "canopic jars" which would hold the internal organs of the deceased. The heads represent the four sons of Horus: Amset, Hapi, Duamutef, and Qebehsenuef. In Egyptian funerary documents, Osiris represents the person for whom the documents were prepared.
A number of modern Egyptologists have translated the writings connected to this picture, and their conclusions are all in close agreement. They merely convey information about the deceased for whom the Book of Breathings document was created.

| | Joseph Smith's ''Egyptian Alphabet And Grammar,'' As It Has Come To Be Called, Had Never Really Been Lost Or Missing Thursday, Dec 14, 2006, at 07:52 AM Original Author(s): Larson Topic: BOOK OF ABRAHAM - SECTION 1 -Guid- | ↑ | From: Larson, pp. 32-33
Smith's ''Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar,'' as it has come to be called, had never really been lost or missing. For a long time it was simply ignored, and more recently it had been considered restricted. It was among that portion of early Church records the Mormons managed to take with them when they left Nauvoo in 1846, and it was included in the list of materials recorded in the Church Historian's Office Journal as having been deposited in the Historian's fireproof vault in Salt Lake City in 1855. There the manuscript lay, apparently all but forgotten for eighty years, before being "rediscovered" in 1935 during the course of some historical research by Dr. Sidney B. Sperry of Brigham Young University, James R. Clark, a student of Sperry's, and A. William Lund, Assistant Church Historian at the time.
These documents were not released for public examination or study, however. For the time being their discovery was not even announced. It was not until 1938 that Dr. Sperry was allowed to publish a pair of rather indistinct photographs of two pages from the Alphabet and Grammar notebook which contained part of a translation manuscript from the Book of Abraham. The existence of the entire Grammar was still only hinted at for many years, and only a select handful of scholars and authorities within the LDS Church were allowed access to the material. This, despite the great historical significance attached to it by LDS writers like William Berrett, who proudly described it as Joseph Smith's "most notable achievement . . . the development of a Grammar for the Egyptian hieroglyphic form of writing," and "the first Egyptian Grammar in America."
Curiously, even as late as 1960 (by which time it had been known for some twenty-five years that the "Alphabet and Grammar" had survived and was in the Church's possession) Dr. Sperry remarked at BYU's Pearl of Great Price Conference that he did not know whether or not the Church authorities would yet allow it to be published, adding that he thought "it would be a little premature, perhaps, to do it now, until we can really do a good job of it."
Others who had occasion to come into contact with the material apparently disagreed with the Church's reluctance in the matter. Late in 1965 a microfilm copy of the entire work was "leaked" to Jerald and Sandra Tanner of Modern Microfilm Company (now Utah Lighthouse Ministry). The Tanners were former Mormons who were rapidly gaining a reputation for printing documents relating to Mormonism that, though authentic, made Church officials uncomfortable. By 1966 the Tanners had produced the first complete photomechanical reprint and transcription of the entire Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar.
But contrary to what most Mormons evidently expected, publication of the Alphabet and Grammar in no way substantiated Joseph Smith's ability to translate ancient Egyptian. Quite the opposite, for the book turned out to be nothing but page after page of nonsensical gibberish. Though it had apparently succeeded at one time in impressing unsophisticated minds, the work was unable to withstand the scrutiny of experts.
Professional Egyptologists to whom the Alphabet and Grammar was submitted for examination were quick to point out that the material in Joseph Smith's notebook bore no resemblance at all to any correct understanding of the ancient Egyptian language. As one of them, I. E. Edwards, put it, the whole work was, "largely a piece of imagination and lacking in any kind of scientific value." He added that it reminded him of "the writings of psychic practitioners which are sometimes sent to me." There were many similar verdicts, all confirming that the person responsible for what Berrett had glowingly called "the first Egyptian grammar in America" could not possibly have understood the ancient Egyptian language.
| Yesterday we took our kids to see an exhibition of Egyptian antiquities from the Louvre, Paris which was on display at the National Gallery of Australia in Canberra. The exhibition was entitled “Journey to the Afterlife” and contained a beautiful collection of artefacts from Egypt that were between 2,500 and 4,000 years old. Five minutes after entering the exhibit and watching the introductory video we had learned enough about Book of the Dead papyri to discern the real meaning behind facsimile 1 and 3 in the Book of Abraham.
I have known for years that the BOA is a fabrication, but it was shocking to see “in the flesh” how obvious the fraud was. By the end of this exhibit my 13-year-old daughter was able to see it. In facsimile 1 she could pick out the four canopic jars for storing internal organs, which Smith misidentified as fictitious idolatrous gods and in facsimile 3 she could recognize the Egyptian god Osiris which Smith misidentified as Abraham.
Just weeks earlier I had read Martha Beck’s book in which she mentioned how her father Hugh Nibley (who single-handedly saved the BOA) handled the dissonance this caused him – he went mad. The moment Nibley looked at the papyri he would have known the BOA was a fabrication. The real clincher would have been the facsimiles and they are still the most obvious “smoking gun” that no apologist can explain away.
The feeble explanation that the papyri inspired Smith to write the otherwise unrelated BOA is complete nonsense because Smith’s interpretation of the facsimile links directly with the BOA text. How on earth can the current crop of liars (like Daniel Peterson and John Tvedtnes ) explain this away?
The funniest part is where the "ancient" text say, in essence, "see figure 1"
Abraham 1:14:
That you may have an understanding of these gods, I have given you the fashion of them in figures at the beginning, which manner of figures is called by the Chaldeans Rahleenos, which signifies hieroglyphics.
i.e. the text itself refers the readers to the pictures of "gods" (canopic jars) in facsimile #1. Kind of hard to claim that the BoA was unrelated to the papyrus.
Apologists turn around and say:
"Joseph Smith took some characters from the papyri and translated them by the gift and power of God. He did not do so in a conventional manner. The translation was supernatural and beyond the understanding of modern Egyptologists. We can see with our own eyes how a few characters were used to produce whole sentences of the lost story of Abraham"
Ok, you just keep doing whatever mental gymnastics it takes to believe that.
| | Book Of Abraham Rebuttal - The Four Names Of The Four Canopics Monday, Jan 8, 2007, at 06:26 AM Original Author(s): Spongebob Squaregarments Topic: BOOK OF ABRAHAM - SECTION 1 -Guid- | ↑ | Have any of the Egyptian names and terms identified by Joseph been verified as actually being Egyptian?
There are many Egyptian names given on Joseph’s explanation of the 3 facsimiles as well as numerous names in Smith’s Egyptian Book of Alphabet and Grammar. Names such as Elkenah, Libnah, Mahmackrah, Korash, etc. Despite some apologists claims to the contrary, none of these names have been found in any Egyptian documents.
Apologists claims - From LDS apologist Jeff Lindsay's site:
Further support for Joseph's interpretation of several elements in Facs. 1 comes from Daniel Peterson's article in the Jan. 1994 Ensign,
Ancient texts indicate that the idolatrous gods of Elkenah, Libnah, Mahmackrah, and Korash, described in the book of Abraham (Abr. 1:6, 13, 17; facsimile 1, figs. 5-8), truly were worshipped in the ancient world, despite the fact that the Bible makes no mention of them. http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_...
The above statement is very misleading. I guess enough critics complained so fellow LDS apologist Kerry Shirts provided this response on another web page:
On the Names of the Four Canopic Jars in Facsimile 1 - by Kerry A. Shirts
A Note of Explanation:
Critics have said the names of these figures are not Egyptian and therefore not authentic.
This article takes a closer look.
We grant the critics a point in noting the four names of the four canopics
under the lion couch are not necessarily Egyptian names. But they are names
that are found in the ancient world, namely Egyptian combined with ancient
Syro-Canaanitish elements, and that is the point. This is not just
gibberish. Abraham is pointing out the ancient Egyptian customs to a
non-Egyptian audience of his in the Book of Abraham. http://www2.ida.net/graphics/shirtail...
So LDS apologist Kerry Shirts admits that they are not real Egyptian names so how does that possibly support Joseph’s interpretation as claimed by Jeff Lindsay? I have not been able to find any evidence that the four names mentioned by Joseph are real names at all.
Note that neither Brother Lindsay nor Daniel Peterson provides any evidence to show how these ancient names could be derived and possibly be interpreted by anyone to support Joseph’s claims. If it made sense Lindsay would have simply shown evidence for these four names on his website which would add to Joseph’s credibility but he doesn’t because it really doesn’t support Joseph’s claims when you analyze it.
The four names referred to by Joseph don’t appear to be real ancient names at all unless you combine various parts of different words from different languages. This is typical of some LDS apologist’s efforts to find some sort of wild explanation to Joseph’s translation of the facsimiles.
Even if they were real names, although certainly not Egyptian, Joseph may have simply got them out of a dictionary or encyclopedia. The only way this helps support Joseph’s claims is if he identified the actual Egyptian names which was not known at the time but he failed to identify any Egyptian names.
You will note on Jeff Lindsay’s site, he does not correct the original misleading statement. So any researcher that goes to Lindsay’s site will be under the impression that the four gods named by Joseph on facsimile 1 were somehow correctly identified by Joseph.
Had Joseph Smith actually translated the papyri, he would have referred to the figures as the four sons of Horus and given their actual names of Imset, Hapt, Qebe-senuwef, and Duwa-mutef. This would have stood as a powerful witness to the truthfulness of the BOA and to Smith's prophetic role but Joseph gave incorrect non-Egyptian names.
| | The Book Of Abraham And The Mormon Apologist "Missing Scroll Theory" Tuesday, Jan 9, 2007, at 06:19 AM Original Author(s): Randy Jordan Topic: BOOK OF ABRAHAM - SECTION 1 -Guid- | ↑ | Charles Larson's book is on-line at
http://www.irr.org/MIT/Book-of-Abraha...
His section titled the "Missing Scroll Theory" debunks the Mormons' bogus claim. In a nutshell:
*The text of the BOA, 1:12, refers to the scroll fragment known as Facsimile No. 1 as "this record." That makes it obvious that that fragment was part of what Smith claimed was the original of the BOA.
*Smith ordered the three "facsimiles" copied and published as part of the BOA in its first publication in 1942, in the "Times and Seasons" newspaper which he owned and edited. They carry the caption "A facsimile from the Book of Abraham," and still do to this day. If those facsimiles are *not* from what Smith claimed was the BOA, then the apologists need to explain why Smith had those particular ones published, rather than the alleged "real" BOA text, which was on some supposed "missing" scroll.
As for what legitimate scholars think of the apologists' defenses of Smith's "interpretations": The U. of Chicago's Dept. of Egyptology is known as one of the best in the nation (the late Hugh Nibley studied there under Klaus Baer.) Its current head, Dr. Robert Ritner, published a scathing criticism of the apologists' lame defenses in the Journal of Near Eastern Studies. You can read it at:
http://72.14.209.104/u/utlm?q=cache:M...
A year or so ago, John Gee sent a "rebuttal" of Ritner's article to fellow Mopologist Daniel Peterson, which was forwarded to me. Gee's response consisted of a pissing contest between he and Ritner, as well as ad hominem attacks, and failed to address a single one of Ritner's criticisms of Joseph Smith's silly "interpretations."
| I watched a BYU special over the weekend with a hardcore TBM friend of mine. He knows about much of the historical problems yet still believes. The BYU special was on the Book of Abraham - especially the facsimiles.
Although the host, Robert Millet asked some difficult questions, the panel including Michael Rhodes, head of ancient studies at BYU, defended Joseph's explanations of the facsimiles as if Joseph had everything right.
The mental gymnastics was amazing. He would say Joseph said this figure is Kolob. he would then say there is a word in another language, not Egyptian, that sounds kinda like Kolob spelled QRB and that can be interpreted as the word 'near'. And near to God is what Joseph said is Kolob. Another direct hit for the uneducated Joseph.
Every 'hit' was some wild explanation that was extrapolated to the extreme in order to find some way Joseph could possibly be right. Of course they ignored the bizarre claims like how our sun gets its light from another star as mentioned in the BOA and the many items that JS said couldn't be revealed to the world now but Egyptologists have the exact explanation or Joseph's Book of Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar that is complete nonsense.
They ended the show with a quote from Nibley saying how changing science is but how unchanging the gospel is. The worst part is how my friend, a very smart guy, accepted Rhodes' explanations of Joseph's translations as making complete sense.
If Joseph's explanations of the facsimiles is as correct as Rhodes says he was, then the Church needs to have a press conference and prove to the world how Joseph was really a prophet by his 'correct' translations of the facsimiles.
I would pay anything to have had non-Mormon Egyptologists be part of that panel and give their opinions as to how valid Rhodes' explanations of Joseph's interpretations of the facsimiles are.
For more info on the BOA: http://www.mormonthink.com/boaweb.htm
| Humorist, film-maker and comedian Woody Allen wrote a parody of the story of the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Allen's comic essay, titled "The Scrolls" was originally published in the "New Yorker" and is reprinted in his collection of humorous essays "Without Feathers."
It begins:
"Scholars will recall that several years ago a shepherd, wandering in the Gulf of Aqaba, stumbled upon a cave containing several large clay jars and also two tickets to the ice show. Inside the jars were discovered six parchment scrolls with ancient incomprehensible writing which the shepherd, in his ignorance, sold to the museum for $750,000 apiece. Two years later the jars turned up in a pawnshop in Philadelphia. One year later the shepherd turned up in a pawnshop in Philadelphia and neither was claimed.
"Archaeologists originally set the date of the scrolls at 4000 B.C., or just after the massacre of the Israelites by their benefactors. The writing is a mixture of Sumerian, Aramaic, and Babylonian and seems to have been done by either one man over a long period of time, or several men who shared the same suit. The authenticity of the scrolls is currently in great doubt, particularly since the word "Oldsmobile" appears several times in the text, and the few fragments that have finally been translated deal with familiar religious themes in a more than dubious way. Still, excavationist A. H. Bauer has noted that even thought the fragments seem totally fraudulent, this is probably the greatest archeological find in history with the exception of the recovery of his cuff links from a tomb in Jerusalem."
Of course any supposedly ancient scroll which contained the word "Oldsmobile" would obviously be a modern forgery. In fact the use of such anachronistic (from "ana" meaning not and "chronos" meaning of time--so "out of time") expressions are one way scholars sniff out forged documents from real ones.
Question: why is Egypt called "Egypt"? If you go to Egypt they don't call their country "Egypt," they call it "Misr" or "Misir." If you ask someone from a country whose language was not influenced by the Roman empire they will also not call it "Egypt." In Turkish, for instance, it is called "Misir" also.
So the question arises, why do we call it "Egypt?"
The answer goes back in time to when Memphis was the de-facto capitol of Egypt....er...Misir. Memphis was also the main location of the cult of the Egyptian, er..., Misirian god Ptah. Memphis was referred to, by the ancient Egyptians as the "house of Ptah" which, in their language sounded, more or less, "het ka Ptah"
When the Greeks began to explore the world they came to Memphis, or "het ka Ptah." Upon returning they gave it their own idiosyncratic Greek pronounciation. In Greek "Het ka Ptah" became "aigyptos" which morphed into "Egyptus." This is how Greeks did it. The Hebrew-Aramaic name "Yeshua" became "Jesus" and the Hebrew Name "Moise" became "Moses."
It is from this Greek name for "Egypt" that the Italian, French, German and other languages got the name "Egypt" or variations on it.
With this in mind it is interesting that the following passages shows up in the first chapter of "The Book of Abraham" (BOA:
"23 The land of Egypt being first discovered by a woman, who was the daughter of Ham, and the daughter of Egyptus, which in the Chaldean signifies Egypt, which signifies that which is forbidden;
"24 When this woman discovered the land it was under water, who afterward settled her sons in it; and thus, from Ham, sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land.
"25 Now the first government of Egypt was established by Pharaoh, the eldest son of Egyptus, the daughter of Ham, and it was after the manner of the government of Ham, which was patriarchal."
This interesting passage does two things. It explains how the "curse of Ham" made it to Africa. In this case by his Ham's daughter "Egyptus" who "discovered the land and it was under water" and it "explains" how Egypt became named Egypt (sort of a "how the leopard got its spots" explanation).
This "Curse of Ham," by the way, was a popular argument for justifying racism and even slavery in the time of Joseph Smith. As Wikipedia points out:
"The 'curse of Ham' has been used by some members of Abrahamic religions to justify racism and the enslavement of people of African ancestry, who were thought to be descendants of Ham (often called Hamites), either through Canaan or his older brothers. This racist theory was common during the 18th-20th centuries, but has been largely abandoned even by the most conservative theologians since the mid-20th century."
The problem with the Book-of-Abraham passage, of course, is the word "Egyptus." It is not Chaldean, it is Greek. It doesn't signify "forbidden," it is a Hellenized version of "Het ka Ptah", the Egyptian name for the city now known as Memphis, and it wasn't the name of anyone who "discovered" the land of Egypt or who was the mother of Pharaoh(s).
Just like Allens "Scrolls" The Book of Abraham "deal[s] with familiar religious themes in a more than dubious way" and just like the appearance of "Oldsmobile" in Allen's fictitious "scrolls" the passage about Egyptus in The Book of Abraham shows that it is a later forgery and not an actual Abrahamic document.
| | Mormon Apologists Claim The Book Of Breathings Text (Also Known As "Shait En Sensen") Is Not The Source For The Book Of Abraham Wednesday, Jun 6, 2007, at 08:23 AM Original Author(s): Brackite Topic: BOOK OF ABRAHAM - SECTION 1 -Guid- | ↑ | Most LDS Apologists of the Book of Abraham believe, maintain, and proclaim that the Book of Breathings text ((also known as Shait en Sensen) "Breathing permit" for the priest Hor text) is Not the source from which the Book of Abraham. Hugh Nibley maintained and proclaimed this. John Gee maintains and proclaims this. And of course, Even the 'Chief' LDS Apologist Daniel C. Peterson maintains and proclaims this.
Here is what Daniel C. Peterson wrote in the January 1994 Ensign:
"Critics have long attempted to make a case against the book of Abraham. They argue that some ancient texts do not support the book. They point to the fragments of the Joseph Smith papyri that we now possess and claim that since the contents of these papyri bear little obvious relationship to the book of Abraham, the book is a fraud; but Hugh Nibley has made an exhaustive study of these claims and has shown that the papyri we now have were probably not the ones from which Joseph Smith translated the book of Abraham." http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dl...
Despite Daniel C. Peterson, wanting the readers of the Ensign to not believe that the Book of Breathings text ((also known as Shait en Sensen) "Breathing permit" for the priest Hor text) is not the source for the Book of Abraham (by providing a footnote to some of Hugh Nibley BofA Apologetics, which had a lot of it already been refuted before the year of 1994 (1)), the evidence is very overwhelming that the Book of Breathings text is indeed the source for the Book of Abraham.
Here is what Kevin Graham wrote and quoted from Brent Metcalfe on the “FAIR"/MA&D Message Board many, many months ago there:
We also get all these wild excuses as to how the Breathings text couldn`t have possibily been the source for the BoA translation, but not one single LDS apologetic even acknolwedges the many reasons to believe it was. Here is a list provided by Metcalfe:
- Facsimile 1 is the opening vignette in the Breathing Permit of Hôr.
- Facsimile 3 is the closing vignette in the Breathing Permit of Hôr. (The Hôr papyrus fragment for Fac. 3 is not extant. Still, the Fac. 3 woodcut preserves the identity of the deceased—Hôr—confirming that it too belongs to Hôr's Breathing Permit.)
- The BoAbr identifies Facsimile 1 (the opening vignette in Hôr's Breathing Permit) as an illustration placed at the "commencement" (Abr. 1:12) or "beginning" (Abr. 1:14) of patriarch Abraham's record.
- Vignette Facsimile 3 (from the Breathing Permit of Hôr), according to Smith, also illustrates scenes from Abraham's life.
- In keeping with the BoAbr claim that Facsimile 1 opened the record, all extant dictated BoAbr manuscripts (MS 1a [fldr. 2], MS 1b [fldr. 3], and MS 2 [fldr. 1]) contain authentic hieratic copied sequentially from the contiguous portion of the Breathing Permit of Hôr only. (There are two minor exceptions to sequence, but those characters too originate from Hôr's Breathing Permit. Invented, non-authentic Egyptian characters also appear on the manuscripts at points where the papyrus fragment has a lacuna.)
- All authentic Egyptian characters in Joseph Smith's Egyptian Alphabet manuscripts and the bound Grammar and Alphabet of the Egyptian Language were copied from the Breathing Permit of Hôr.
- Aside from hypocephalus Facsimile 2 (the original of which is no longer extant), Hôr's Breathing Permit is the only papyrus that is associated with Joseph Smith's BoAbr—an association that is attested to repeatedly in the BoAbr text and its antecedent manuscripts.
Point #5 is the true kicker, and to explain exactly how this worked, here is a photo of a KEP manuscript to the right.
(The Bold Emphasis is Mine here; It is Kevin quoting from Brent.)
Well Anyways then, despite what Daniel C. Peterson and John Gee believing and Maintaining, and them wanting a lot of people to believe that the Book of Breathings text ((also known as Shait en Sensen) "Breathing permit" for the priest Hor text) is Not the source for the Book of Abraham, The evidence is indeed very, very Overwhelming that the Book of Breathings text is indeed the very source for the Book of Abraham.
Please See for example: 'Reducing Dissonance: The Book of Abraham as a Case Study' by Edward H. Ashment. http://www.xmission.com/~research/cen...
| | The Book Of Abraham Facsimile Shows Lines Copied Directly From The Book Of Breathings - Text Mormon Apologists Say Have Nothing To Do With The BOA Wednesday, Jun 6, 2007, at 08:38 AM Original Author(s): Kevin Graham Topic: BOOK OF ABRAHAM - SECTION 1 -Guid- | ↑ | I would add that the original Facsimile #2 suffered from lacunae over to the right. Apparently Joseph Smith decided to fill in the holes while using symbols from the BoB - the text apologists tell us have nothing to do with the BoA.
The facsimile with BoB symbols was published as part of the BoA so it cannot be argued that some scribe decided to do this on his own without Smith's consent.
Rhodes argued that someone filled it in just to make it look better, but this is a lame argument without a shred of evidence to support it. to Especially since Smith filled in the lucuna of the BoB and indicated that he did so via inspiration. Thus, it follows that he did likewise with Fac 2.
| I will provide what I believe to be a good reason why Nibley’s scholarship should not be trusted. When the papyri were rediscovered in 1967 there was a concerted effort to develop apologetic theories to distance it from the Book of Abraham. At this point we witness the birth of the missing papyrus theory. In order to promote this theory Nibley offered this following bit of misinformation, and this is taken directly from Jeff Lindsay’s website:
The Prophet Joseph himself has supplied us with the most conclusive evidence that the manuscript today identified as the Book of Breathings, J.S. Papyri X and XI, was not in his opinion the source of the Book of Abraham. For he has furnished a clear and specific description of the latter: 'The record of Abraham and Joseph, found with the mummies, is (1) beautifully written on papyrus, with black, and (2) a small part red, ink or paint, (3) in perfect preservation.'...
Since Joseph Smith actually possessed quite a number of perfectly preserved, beautifully written Egyptian manuscripts adorned with rubrics [red characters], there is no reason to doubt that he was describing such a document as the source of 'the record of Abraham and Joseph.' And there can be no doubt whatever that the manuscript he was describing was and is an entirely different one from that badly written, poorly preserved little text, entirely devoid of rubrics, which is today identified as the Book of Breathings. One cannot insist too strongly on this point, since it is precisely the endlessly repeated claim that the Book of Breathings has been 'identified as the very source of the Book of Abraham' on which the critics of Joseph Smith have rested their whole case...." Hugh W. Nibley, The Message of the Joseph Smith Papyri: An Egyptian Endowment, (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1975, pp. 2-3).
The problem with this apologetic is that it is patently false on several points:
- This statement didn’t derive from “the Prophet.” It comes from Oliver Cowdery’s passing description.
- Nibley doesn’t understand that Cowdery describes the entire collection consisting of two different records (Abraham’s record and the other from Joseph)
- Nibley doesn’t acknowledge that among the papyri that were rediscovered in 1967, rubrics do appear on fragments IV and VIII.
According to Nibley’s logic, since the papyri (Sensen text) commonly identified as the record of Abraham, is “badly written, poorly preserved little text, entirely devoid of rubrics,” then the real record of Abraham must be missing. The problem here is that Nibley is twisting the citation to say something it doesn’t. This is where point #2 comes in. This description doesn’t strictly refer to this record. It is a general statement about the collection of records, which also included the record of Joseph.
Now according to William Appleby, “there is a perceptible difference between the writings [of Abraham and Joseph]. Joseph appears to have been the best scribe.” This piece of evidence pretty much slams the door on Nibley’s argument because it accounts for the evidence mush better than Nibley’s shot in the dark apologetic. Among the extant records we have today, Appleby’s description fits perfectly because he makes the clear distinction between two records and he says the record of Abraham is inferior in quality to that of Joseph’s. And as I have already noted, the rubrics do appear on two of the better preserved fragments.
It is also worth noting that this “red ink” argument stood the test of time for decades. And because the Church refused to publish color copies of the papyri, we had no other choice but to take Nibley’s word for it that the papyri were void of rubrics. It wasn’t until Charles Larsen published his book, that the world could see the papyri in all their glory.
And who is responsible for making Nibley look like an idiot here? In 1990 Edward Ashment, another dastardly anti-Mormon, researched this issue thoroughly to show the world why Nibley cannot be trusted: http://www.buchabraham.mormonismus-on...
Now this lame argument still lives on at the Jeff Lindsay museum of failed apologetics, but it is good to know some LDS apologists have admitted the error in Nibley’s argument. Take for example, Kevin Barney, who back in January of 2002, made the following comment: “I am a believer in the BoA, but personally I don't put much stock in this ‘description’ argument.” And then again in June of 2003, “…the Nibley rubrics argument doesn't hold water.”
But the “hide the color” game played by LDS scholars continued with Nibley’s successor, John Gee. This time the color was shaded out to support his argument regarding the significance of the Kirtland Egyptian Papers. The KEP provide us with manuscripts of the Book of Abraham written by Joseph Smith’s scribes. The natural conclusion here is that these were the translation manuscripts. The problem for the apologists is that these manuscripts contained Egyptian characters lined up on the left margins – characters which are identical and in sequence, to those found on the Sensen text (the text the apologists cannot accept as the source for the Book of Abraham).
So what does Gee do here? After trying to figure out a way to explain how these characters could be on these manuscripts, yet have nothing to do with the actual translation process, he thinks that maybe if he can show that these characters were added after the text had been written, then maybe he could support the crazy Nibley scenario that some mysterious twit came along and added them to the texts, erroneously thinking they actually had something to do with the BoA translation.
Enter the two ink argument.
First let me not that Juliann informed us at FAIR how important Gee was. John Gee we were told, should be trusted. John Gee, we were told, had access to what the “weekend warriors” could only dream about. John Gee, we were told, had been Yale trained and had the required critical tools. Quite simply, John Gee was the hero we so desperately needed.
So at a time when apologetics needed it the most, John Gee published his “A Guide to the Joseph Smith Papyri.” On page 22 we find the following argument with “color” illustrations of the KEP:
When I first read this I couldn’t help but notice there was something strange about the coloring. Each photo seems to have been changed with a different hue. I then realized that maybe this is actually what the manuscripts looked like. The problem was that Gee’s argument about different inks was based on evidence provided in these photos. From these photos it does seem like the characters to the left were in a much darker ink, perhaps a different color.
More crucial to Gee’s argument, however, was his assertion that it the Egyptian characters sometimes “run over… the English text.”
Enter Brent Metcalfe, deceitful apostate, friend to Mark Hoffman, former security guard at the LDS archives (working undercover for the Tanners), a man who was out to destroy the Church at all costs, and a man who couldn’t tell the truth if his wife’s life depended on it. At least that was the impression most LDS apologists liked to spread.
Brent kindly pointed out that Gee’s apologetic on this point was entirely without merit. How would Metcalfe know? Well, Metcalfe had previously obtained color photos of the KEP from Steve Christensen, who was commissioned by the Church to photograph them before he was killed by Mark Hoffman. To support his counter-argument, Brent kindly shared some of the photos. I’ll present one just to prove the point:
Notice that a full blown color image of the same section provided by Gee, reveals that the ink used for the Egyptian characters is the same exact ink used in the English text to the right. The reason some points are darker than others has everything to do with the double stroke using the quill. Notice the lower portion of the “s” shows that it is just as dark as the Egyptian to the left. So Gee’s argument relies heavily on the ignorance of his audience. He wasn’t counting on anyone out there actually having the means to disprove his presentation, but that was his fault. Ultimately, the apologists want to blame Metcalfe and derail by accusing him of obtaining the photos illegally or whatever, but the fact is these photos prove Gee was being dishonest. He was manipulating the evidence to try saving the Book of Abraham. And the “run over” the English text argument is equally bankrupt. The characters do not “sometimes” run over the text. Gee was called to the carpet and decided to respond while hiding behind DanPeterson. This was so embarrassing: http://www.lds-mormon.com/gee_abraham...
Now all I have seen since this time are attempt to explain how Gee could have made an honest mistake.
I don’t think so.
Remember, we were told he should be trusted because he had first hand access to the materials.
The point here is that FARMS reviews have been pointing out errors by critics that are not even close to being as egregious as the errors committed by Nibley-Gee duo. If anti-Mormon critics should be rejected because of errors far minor than these, then how much more so should we reject Nibley and Gee?
| OK, no one is 100% objective in anything, granted. But that doesn't give one a license to be recklessly subjective all the while pretending to have credibility as an interpreter. Here is a response to a post of his I saw back in July.
William Schryver said, in reference to the KEP and the Egyptian characters lined up with the English text:
The characters are not always associated with a discrete paragraph. It is especially evident with Williams' Ms. #2.
Were they always associated with paragraphs? No, not always.
The final two characters at the bottom of the first page are not clearly associated with the text. They appear to have been placed entirely at random in relationship to the text. They are not aligned with a paragraph break, nor the beginning of a sentence, nor even a specific line.
This is patently false.
Here is a scan of the microfilm of manuscript 1a in the handwriting of Williams. It is horrible to be sure, but it serves the purpose of refuting Will’s claim.
Click Image For Larger Version
Will says the last two characters are clearly placed "at random" ??
How does he explain the fact that manuscript 1b is nearly identical in placing the same Egyptian characters at the exact same corresponding points? What is so "random" about this? Who says a character has to represent the beginning of a new paragraph or sentence anyway?
He then told Don Bradley to go study the photos like he has or else he is just blowing smoke!
In several cases in Williams' Ms. #2, the characters appear to be placed with much uncertainty -- as though the scribe didn't have any idea what their specific relationship was to the English text in the body of the document.
How in the hell does Will come up with that conclusion?
More notes and observations about Will’s claim.
If you take a look at the third circled character from the top (image above), you will notice that this character doesn’t come before a new paragraph, nor does it come before a new sentence, verse or line. In fact, this would be the only example that could possibly be used to support Will’s claim that characters were thrown about “at random” with no apparent correlation to the English text. The verse this character covers is Abraham 1:5, but Abraham 1:5 is as follows:
“My fathers, having turned from their righteousness, and from the holy commandments which the Lord their God had given unto them, unto the worshiping of the gods of the heathen, utterly refused to hearken to my voice;”
According to this manuscript a new character is placed in mid-sentence. If you look at the style of the writer, the sentences generally continue to the end of the page if they are long enough to do so, but in this manuscript this sentence stops short at the word “heathen,” leaving the rest of the sentence (“utterly refused to hearken to my voice”) for another line. What does this mean? Well, once we consider the Parrish manuscript (Ms1b/folder 3) the verdict becomes all the more clearer:
Did you see that?
It seems perfectly clear to me that these two examples are best explained as a transcription process whereby Joseph Smith stopped dictating at “heathen,” so his scribes could insert the next character. So they stopped at heathen wherever they happened to be on that particular line, and then continued on to finish the verse on the next line adjacent with the corresponding character.
Not only does this anecdote refute Will’s claim, but it also adds more evidence to the already mounting pile of evidences in favor of the dictated transcription scenario. After all, who could imagine someone breaking a sentence in half like that while copying from a source document?
My point here is that there are real reasons why I cannot trust the apologetic position. You are not going to be able to water the situation down as a matter of biased critic who is just too closedminded to see the light. What yoo sense as closedmindedness is actually skepticism, and the faulty logic and disingenuous apologetic explanations forwarded by these guys not only justify my skepticism, they demand it.
Will, Brian, Gee, Nibley, they all provide clear-cut examples of contorting evidence or flat out inventing things that are not there.
Can any of you provide any single example where any of the critics (Brent, Ashment, CK or myself) have ever made errors like those shown above? Then do so. I dare you. I double dare you. Let's see who can be trusted here.
The worst part about these kinds of errors is that they are extremely difficult to explain as honest mistakes. There is nothing in the document above that could even come close to resembling what Will described, and how does he defend his mistake... by not acknolwedging it.
What is wrong with pointing this out? The authors at FARMS do this on a daily basis with anti-Mormon books.
You guys have not even come close to explaining how Will could mess up so badly on this "analysis."
All he does in defense is point out how the scholars at FARMS agree with him. Big deal. As if this is supposed to be some kind of revelation to us? The scholars at FARMS, particularly Nibley and Gee, also have a documented history of twisting evidence in a way that makes it difficult to call it an honest mistake, so lumping your methodology in with this crew is not doing much for your credibility.
| Many of you know that Joseph Smith, Jr., obtained in the mid 1800s papyri scrolls which were part of a travelling mummy show. He claimed that one of the scrolls contained a story about the Biblical Abraham. He then claimed to translate the Egyptian characters and reveal the story. The resulting “Book of Abraham” is one of the most important of the LDS scriptures. A good deal of the unique LDS theology comes from this book.
Critics argue that his “translation” actually came from a common Egyptian funerary text called the Book of Breathings - and had nothing to do with Abraham. Critics argue that the BoA therefore proves Smith as a fraud. This particular papyrus (say the Egyptologists) was for a dead Egyptian named Hor. It was a pagan document designed to help Hor pass to the next world and become a deity himself (or something to that effect).
Who is right?
Well, consider “Facsimile 3”:
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/abr/fac3...
This drawing was copied from the papyrus and allegedly ties directly in to the story line of the BoA. In Joseph Smith’s “version” of the scroll, Abraham teaches the Egyptians about astrology. Here is Smith’s official explanation of the drawing:
Fig. 1. Abraham sitting upon Pharaoh’s throne, by the politeness of the king, with a crown upon his head, representing the Priesthood, as emblematical of the grand Presidency in Heaven; with the scepter of justice and judgment in his hand.
Fig. 2. King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.
Fig. 3. Signifies Abraham in Egypt as given also in Figure 10 of Facsimile No. 1.
Fig. 4. Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand.
Fig. 5. Shulem, one of the king’s principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand.
Fig. 6. Olimlah, a slave belonging to the prince.
Abraham is reasoning upon the principles of Astronomy, in the king’s court.
Egyptologists could not disagree more with Joseph Smith’s explanations.
Dr. Robert Ritner, a renowned Egyptologist at the University of Chicago, explains the real meanings of the labels on the drawings:
Label for Osiris (Fig. 1 of Facsimile 3): Recitation by Osiris, Foremost of the Westerners, Lord of Abydos(?), the great god forever and ever(?).
Label for Isis (Fig. 2 of Facsimile 3): Isis the great, the god’s mother.
Label for Maat (Fig. 4 of Facsimile 3): Maat, mistress of the gods.
Label for Hor (Fig. 5 of Facsimile 3): The Osiris Hor, justified forever.
Label for Anubis (Fig. 6 of Facsimile 3): Recitation by Anubis, who makes protection(?), foremost of the embalming booth
Invocation: O gods of the necropolis, gods of the caverns, gods of the south, north, west, and east, grant salvation to the Osiris Hor, the justified, born by Taikhibit.
“THE BREATHING PERMIT OF HÔR” AMONG THE JOSEPH SMITH PAPYRI,” Robert K. Ritner, The University of Chicago, Journal of Near Eastern Studies.
Ritner continues:
Smith misunderstood “Pharaoh” as a personal name (cf. Abraham 1:25), and the name above fig. 2 is unquestionably that of the female Isis. Osiris (fig. 1) is certainly not “Abraham,” nor is it possible that the altar of Osiris (fig. 3) “signifies Abraham.” Maat (fig. 4) is not a male “prince,” Hor (fig. 5) is not a “waiter,” nor is Anubis (fig. 6) a “slave” (because of his dark skin). Such interpretations are uninspired fantasies and are defended only with the forfeiture of scholarly judgment and credibility.
So, the labels which exit in Facsimile 3 PRECISELY MATCH the text of the papyrus in the possession of the LDS church. It is a funerary procession for the deceased Hor. The picture matches the existing papyrus.
No part of the existing papyrus has anything to do with Abraham, so Mormons sometimes argue, “Well, we must be missing some of the papyrus.”
Given Facsimile 3, whether some of the papyrus is missing or not seems irrelevant. The picture directly matches the existing text. The labels in the picture match the existing text.
The labels claimed by Joseph Smith are simply incorrect. Isis is “Isis the great, the god’s mother.” Figure 2 is assuredly not “King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.”
I have never heard a reasonable explanation for how Joseph Smith got these labels wrong. If he could read the characters above the head of figure 2, he would have “translated” just like professor Ritner, “Isis the great, the god’s mother.”
Smith did not.
Is there any reasonable explanation which can logically reconcile Joseph Smith’s mistakes on Facsimile 3?
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