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Bruce R. (Redd) McConkie (1915-1985) Mormon Apostle from 1972 to 1985, famous for his book "Mormon Doctrine". A very racist man against blacks and minorities, and a man who passionately hated other churches, specifically the Catholic Church. In 1958 he wrote, "It is also to the Book of Mormon to which we turn for the plainest description of the Catholic Church as the great and abominable church." (Mormon Doctrine, p. 130, 1958 edition).
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| Church Apostle's Catholic Bashing Thursday, Feb 17, 2005, at 09:12 AM Original Author(s): Deconstructor Topic: BRUCE R. MCCONKIE -Guid- | ↑ | In the book "Mormon Doctrine" a Mormon Apostle's explained common LDS doctrine concerning the Catholic Church:
"It
is also to the Book of Mormon to which we turn for the plainest description of the Catholic Church as the great and abominable
church. Nephi saw this 'church which is the most abominable above all other churches' in vision. He 'saw the devil that he
was the foundation of it' and also the murders, wealth, harlotry, persecutions, and evil desires that historically have been a
part of this satanic organization. (1 Nephi 13:1-10)" - Mormon Doctrine, p. 130 (1958)
"Harlots. See
Church of the Devil, Sex Immorality. Literally a harlot is a prostitute; figuratively it is any apostate church. Nephi,
speaking of harlots in the literal sense and while giving a prophetic description of the Catholic Church, recorded that he
'saw the devil that he was the foundation of it.' ... Then speaking of harlots in the figurative sense, he designated the
Catholic Church as 'the mother of harlots' (1 Nephi 13:34; 14:15-17), a title which means that the protestant churches, the
harlot daughters which broke off from the great and abominable church, would themselves be apostate churches." - Mormon
Doctrine, pp. 314-315 (1958)
The church Apostle (Bruce R. McConkie) took some heat for these paragraphs and under
pressure from those concerned about public relations to tone down the rhetoric for the Second Edition of "Mormon Doctrine."
In later teachings on the Great and Abominable Church, this church apostle was much more crafty. Here's how he explained
this doctrine years later in General Conference:
"The world today is full of people who draw near to the Lord with
their lips, but whose hearts are far from him. “They teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but
they deny the power thereof” JS–H 1:19."
"The same spiritual darkness covered the earth in the day when Jesus
ministered among men. Of those who would not hear his voice our Lord said:"
“Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy
of you, saying, “This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from
me. “But in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” (Matt. 15:7-9.)
True worshippers
worship the true God according to true principles. There is no salvation in worshipping a false god or in believing a false
doctrine. All such worship is in vain. It has no saving virtue or power. - Bruce R. McConkie, “The Teacher’s Divine
Commission,” Ensign, Apr. 1979, Page 21
He doesn't single out any specific church, but don't you think the
holier-than-thou teaching is still there?
| | McConkie Talk Warning Against Developing A Personal Relationship With Jesus Christ Wednesday, Jul 26, 2006, at 07:57 AM Original Author(s): Merry Prankster Topic: BRUCE R. MCCONKIE -Guid- | ↑ | The thread on what constitutes scripture reminded me of McConkie's infamous 1982 "Our Relationship With the Lord" BYU devotional talk. See this link.
http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader...
As my comments below show, you never really know what is MoDoctrine because the so-called general authorities contradict one another.
McConkie's purpose of expounding upon this topic seems to have been to publicly "correct" and "humiliate" LDS author and BYU religion professor George Pace for having recently published a book which encouraged people to 'center their lives in Christ and...develop their own personal relationship with Him.'
McConkie started his public lynching of Pace by saying:
"I shall expound the doctrine of the Church relative to what our relationship should be to all members of the Godhead and do so in plainness and simplicity so that none need misunderstand or be led astray by other voices."
He then stated that members of the Mormon Church "should not strive for a special and personal relationship with Christ." He maintained that Mormons had "... never heard one of the First Presidency or the Twelve...advocate this excessive zeal that calls for gaining a so-called special and personal relationship with Christ."
The irony of all this is:
1. Within days of this talk, Deseret Books pulbished a book by McConkie's fellow apostle James E. Faust that included -- you guessed it -- a chapter devoted to developing a personal relationship with the Savior.
2. The missionary discussions at that time included an entire discussion on developing a personal relationship with the Savior. McConkie was on the missionary committee that presumably approved of the discussions.
I guess all of this goes to show that Mormon Doctrine is whatever the dude with the biggest balls or the largest "dick" wants it to be.
| | Mcconkie And The Doctrine Of Infallibility Thursday, Mar 26, 2009, at 10:20 AM Original Author(s): Publius Topic: BRUCE R. MCCONKIE -Guid- | ↑ | Bruce R McConkie wrote:
Forget everything that I have said, or what President Brigham Young or President George Q. Cannon or whoever has said in days past that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world.
I first saw this in a missionary's notebook in my first area in Brazil. McConkie refers to the revelation on blacks receiving the priesthood, and the responses that he received from members quoting him and other general authorities. To paraphrase, "All that bullshit we said about blacks being less valiant in the pre-existence, being an inferior race and never being able to hold the priesthood in this lifetime was uninspired. Our bad."
On the other hand, brother Brigham already pointed out that every word he ever uttered from the pulpit is the word of God:
I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture.
and
If I do not speak here by the power of God, if it is not revelation to you every time I speak to you here, I do not magnify my calling. What do you think about it? I neither know nor care. If I do not magnify my calling, I shall be removed from the place I occupy. God does not suffer you to be deceived.
Then there's the D&C 68:4, backing up Brigham's argument.
So when the prophets and general authorities taught this uninspired doctrine, God should have removed them from their office. And since they must have been teaching without the spirit, the weren't worthy of the spirit, they were breaking the commandment in D&C 42:14, and arguably practicing unrighteous dominion.
Did the McConkie quote ever strike anyone else as disturbing? It immediately struck me as a contradiction to the above referenced scriptures, and setting a dangerous precedent to write off other doctrines and authorities as fallible.
| | Bruce R. Mcconkie's Ironic Statement Friday, Jun 12, 2009, at 01:00 PM Original Author(s): Confused Topic: BRUCE R. MCCONKIE -Guid- | ↑ | "We must root out the Internet", said the Bruce R. McConkie, Apostle of God from his pulpit, "or the Internet will root us out."
Ok, he didn't actually say that. The actual text is:
"We must root out printing", said the Vicar of Royndon from his pulpit, "or printing will root us out."
From Mormon Doctrine - Signs of the Times:
"Discovery and Use of Printing"
Perhaps no important discovery in world history ever faced such intense and bitter opposition as arose over the use and spread of printing. Civil and ecclesiastical tyrants feared the loss of their ill-held and evilly-excercised powers should knowledge of the truth be made available to people generally.
Gosh, mr.Bruce, that sounds like the internet and the opposition the LDS church has against it- for the same reasons.
| | Mcconkie Says We Could Be Damned For Believing Our Prophets Friday, Sep 11, 2009, at 07:55 AM Original Author(s): Confused Topic: BRUCE R. MCCONKIE -Guid- | ↑ | http://www.myplanet.net/mike/LDS/McCo...
[Here's the best part-the last paragraph gives us no reason to believe anything we hear over the pulpit.]
Yes, President Young did teach that Adam was the father of our spirits, and all the related things that the cultists ascribe to him. This, however, is not true. He expressed views that are out of harmony with the gospel. But, be it known, Brigham Young also taught accurately and correctly, the status and position of Adam in the eternal scheme of things. What I am saying is, that Brigham Young contradicted Brigham Young, and the issue becomes one of which Brigham Young we will believe. The answer is we will believe the expressions that accord with the teachings in the Standard Works.
Yes, Brigham Young did say some things about God progressing in knowledge and understanding, but again, be it known, that Brigham Young taught emphatically and plainly, that God knows all things and has all power meaning in the infinite, eternal and ultimate and absolute sense of the word. Again, the issue is, which Brigham Young shall we believe and the answer is: We will take the one whose statements accord with what God has revealed in the Standard Works.
I think you can give me credit for having a knowledge of the quotations from Brigham Young relative to Adam and of knowing what he taught under the subject that has become known as the Adam God Theory. President Joseph Fielding Smith said that Brigham Young will have to make his own explanations on the points there involved. I think you can also give me credit for knowing what Brigham Young said about God progressing. And again, that is something he will have to account for. As for me and my house, we will have the good sense to choose between the divergent teachings of the same man and come up with those that accord with what God has set forth in his eternal plan of salvation.
This puts me in mind of Paul's statement: "There must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you." (1 Cor. 11:19) I do not know all of the providences of the Lord, but I do know that he permits false doctrine to be taught in and out of the Church and that such teaching is part of the sifting process of mortality. We will be judged by what we believe among other things. If we believe false doctrine, we will be condemned. If that belief is on basic and fundamental things, it will lead us astray and we will lose our souls. This is why Nephi said: "And all those who preach false doctrines, . . . wo, wo, wo be unto them, saith the Lord God Almighty, for they shall be thrust down to hell!" (2 Nephi 28:15) This clearly means that people who teach false doctrine in the fundamental and basic things will lose their souls. The nature and kind of being that God is, is one of those fundamentals. I repeat: Brigham Young erred in some of his statements on the nature and kind of being that God is and as to the position of Adam in the plan of salvation, but Brigham Young also taught the truth in these fields on other occasions. And I repeat, that in his instance, he was a great prophet and has gone on to eternal reward. What he did is not a pattern for any of us. If we choose to believe and teach the false portions of his doctrines, we are making an election that will damn us.
[ps if the Book of Mormon is true, please consider its description of God against the current"fundamental"]
| | Mcconkie's Prophecy About 2nd Coming Ran Out 20 Years Ago Thursday, Oct 14, 2010, at 07:48 AM Original Author(s): Nick Humphrey Topic: BRUCE R. MCCONKIE -Guid- | ↑ | The apostle bruce mcconkie set a date for the second coming some time not long after the year 2000 based on a prophecy by joseph smith:
"The rising generation is the one that has just begun. Thus, technically, children born on April 6, 1843, would be the first members of the rising generation, and all children born, however many years later, to the same parents would still be members of that same rising generation. It is not unreasonable to suppose that many young men had babies at the time of this prophecy and also had other children as much as 50 or 75 years later, assuming for instance that they were married again to younger women. This very probable assumption would bring the date up to, say, the 2nd decade in the 20th century - and the children so born would be members of that same rising generation of which the Prophet spoke. Now if these children lived to the normal age of men generally they would be alive well past the year 2000 A.D."
First of all i dont know where this guy learned his math.
1843+75==1918
age of man==72 ( http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/28/... )
1918+72==1990
This ridiculous "prophecy" made "while the Spirit rested upon him" (not speaking as a man), even given the benefit of the doubt and allowing for a baby born 75 years after the prophecy, has failed....
Here is the full context:
11. THE GENERATION OF OUR LORD'S RETURN. - True it is that the day and hour of our Lord's coming are and will remain unknown, such being an incentive to all to watch and be ready at all times. But true it also is that those who watch for that great and dread day are expected to read the signs of the times so as to know the approximate time of his coming. President Wilford Woodruff taught that we do know the generation when he will come. (Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, p. 253.) "I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man," the Prophet Joseph Smith recorded on April 2, 1843, "when I heard a voice repeat the following: Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter. "I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face. I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time." (D. & C. 130:14-17.) Four days later, April 6, 1843, at the General Conference of the Church, while the Spirit rested upon him, the Prophet said: "Were I going to prophesy, I would say the end would not come in 1844, 5, or 6, or in forty years. There are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ comes." The rising generation is the one that has just begun. Thus, technically, children born on April 6, 1843, would be the first members of the rising generation, and all children born, however many years later, to the same parents would still be members of that same rising generation. It is not unreasonable to suppose that many young men had babies at the time of this prophecy and also had other children as much as 50 or 75 years later, assuming for instance that they were married again to younger women. This very probable assumption would bring the date up to, say, the 2nd decade in the 20th century - and the children so born would be members of that same rising generation of which the Prophet spoke. Now if these children lived to the normal age of men generally they would be alive well past the year 2000 A.D. This reasoning takes on added significance when considered in connection with the revelation which states categorically that Christ will come "in the beginning of the seventh thousand years" of the earth's temporal continuance. (D. & C. 77:6, 12.) We, of course, do not know exactly how many years elapsed between Adam and the birth of Christ, but suppose it to have been 4004; nor can we be certain, from historical sources, how many years have passed since. But reading these inspired statements in connection with the signs of the times which we can interpret, it is plain that the day of the coming of the Son of Man is not far distant. But back to the sermon of the Prophet. In it he made reference to the voice which spoke to him relative to the time of the Second Coming and then said: "I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, and let it be written - the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty-five years old"
| | The Truth About Bruce R. Mcconkie's "Mormon Doctrine" Monday, Oct 31, 2011, at 07:53 AM Original Author(s): Daheshist Topic: BRUCE R. MCCONKIE -Guid- | ↑ | Bruce R. McConkie married the daughter of Joseph Fielding Smith (who...by the way...had three wives at the same time, but that's another post). JFS invited BRM to "home scripture studies" all the males had all the time. Basically, JFS convinced BRM that JFS interpretations were the correct ones, namely:
- The Roman Catholic Church is the GA church of the Devil.
- Negroes are truly inferior cursed children of Cain NOT to get the priesthood until after the Millennium
- Salvation by grace is a false doctrine
- There were no pre-Adamites, Adam and Eve first humans on Earth and, of course, white people because (of course) God and Jesus were white people.
- The flood of Noah was universal and covered the highest hill (there were no mountains then) by 30 feet.
- All races of man stem from the three sons of Noah.
- God the Father and Mary "begot" just like any couple, since God married his own spirit-daughter
- in the resurrection, all those not exalted will have to go through a operation to remove their reproductive organs, since they were not exalted.
- etc....more ignorant crap all along the line
JFS knew that many of the Apostles OPPOSED one of more of these interpretations, but JFS (he was not "Prophet" yet) wanted to get these doctrines popularized, so he worked with BRM to write a book "Sound Doctrine" later changed to "Mormon Doctrine". JFS knew that the Church would NOT allow it to be published! So, they "snuck" and had it published by Bookcraft an independent book publisher. This was done. President McKay heard of it, and formed a committee to review it. They did, and recommended that MD NOT see a second printing. They wanted to recall all editions and destroy them, but McKay said if they did that then Bruce R. McConkie would lose all respect, so they said "No more editions!" JFS agreed to that enthusiatically, and promised President McKay not more editions of the book would see the light of day.
President McKay dies, and JFS becomes "Prophet" and then authorizes further editions of "Mormon Doctrine". When I was an active Mormon, I saw the book on the shelf of every Member I knew, and it was also used in Sunday Schools, Elder Quorum, etc. Most missionaries on my mission had a copy (I did not). I basically "lost faith" on my mission after I told a group of missionaries that The Book of Mormon teaches that Mary was a literal virgin, then an Elder pulled out "Mormon Doctrine" and quoted me that Jesus was begotten just as a mortal man begets a mortal son. I was DEVASTATED!!!
I told the Mission President I wanted to go home, and he basically gave me a motivational lecture, and gave me an unpublished talk by President Packer (a friend of his) that had NOTHING to do with the subject. So, I decided to stay in the mission, but my heart was not "into" it anymore. Before, I was quite GUNG HO, but after that myheart was broken and I was just the walking dead.
In recent years the Brethren have begun to realize that Mormon Doctrine has done far more harm than any good it might have done, and have ordered no more copies published. All this happened because Joseph Fielding Smith wanted to popularize his ideas, and to "indoctrinate" generations of young Mormons into his brand of MOrmonism. He succeeded in creating a generation of ignoramuses.
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