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Mormons used to believe that all North and South American natives were a Jewish tribe called "The Lamanites". A fictious Book Of Mormon people - modern DNA evidence shows they never existed.
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Lamanites
Saturday, Apr 8, 2006, at 08:31 AM
Original Author(s): Infymus
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
The Introduction to the Book of Mormon explains that the Lamanites, the last surviving Book of Mormon people, are "the principal ancestors of the American Indians." This means all North American Native Americans are Lamanites. All South American Natives, including Mayan, Mexican, Peruvian - all are Lamanites. This also includes those of the Polynesian islands.

In November of 2007, the Mormon Church changed the Introduction to the Book Of Mormon from "they are the principal ancestors" to "they are among the ancestors of".

The two major groups in the Book of Mormon are the Nephites and the Lamanites. The Lamanites were originally Nephites who broke off early and began their own race. A "skin of blackness" was placed on the Lamanites for disobedience to God while the Nephites were allowed to remain white.

"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them." (2 Nephi 5:21)

Mormonism has changed much of the core doctrine including the Book of Mormon to try and remove "White and Delightsome" with "Pure and Delightsome" - as if God himself wrote the doctrine incorrectly when Joseph Smith translated it.

The Mormon Church has an extensive history of trying to breed out the blackness in tribes such as the Navajos of Utah. Navajo children were adopted into white Mormon families where the Navajo was stripped of his/her identity. Schools were set up to "re-educate" Native Americans leaving enormous scars on the Navajo families and children. Mormon Prophet Spencer W. Kimball remarked that Navajo children placed in white families were several shades whiter than children still on reservations.

The Mormon Curtain and the Ex-Mormon community find the word "Lamanite" to be a racist term. Today the Mormon Church is again on a PR move to clean away the term of Lamanite. The use of the word to describe Native Americans has dropped considerably. This is both due to the fact that no proof exists that Native Americans were Lamanites - and latest DNA evidence showing Asiatic decent and not Hebrew.
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American Indians Are Lamanites And Semites
Monday, Jul 26, 2004, at 07:38 AM
Original Author(s): Scott Tippetts
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
The 'Limited Geography' Theory, and the claim that Lehites and Mulekites were genetically assimilated into much larger populations of already-long-extant-Asian-immigrants, has NO basis in Mormon scriptures, revelations, or doctrines.

I am so tired of this fraudulent claim by FARMS / FAIR-LDS / Lindsey / all other Mormon apologists who are trying to weasel out of the DNA fiasco by misrepresenting the official church doctrine on Lamanite origins.

Mormon scriptures, 'revelations' and doctrines -- as continually taught by Joseph Smith himself and by subsequent Mormon prophets/apostles -- all clearly indicate that the Lehite party (and secondarily, the Mulekite party) populated the entire western hemisphere; and it is long-standing Mormon prophetic pronouncement that AmerInds from all over this hemisphere are 'Lamanites', and 'Jews' / Semites.

While the Book of Mormon goes into considerable detail in making explicit mention of encountering the the sole survivor of the Jaredites (Coriantumr), and of the Lehite party's descendants encountering the descendants of the parallel-immigrating-Mulekite party, yet the Book of Mormon offers a deafening silence when it comes to these FARMS-purported "much larger populations of Asian-immigrants into which the Lamanites were entirely assimilated......" Strange that the Nephites/Lamanites would take the effort to mention so many trivial things in their record (such as the mysteriously disappeared 'cureloms' and 'cumoms'), and yet NEVER make ANY mention of ever having encountered any other 'Outsider' populations throughout the 1,000 year [Lehite] period.....

No, not strange -- because Joseph Smith and subsequent prophets all clearly believed, and taught, that all AmerInds were Lamanite descendants.

FARMS explicit rejection of the "classical view" (namely, hemispheric Jaredite/Lamanite settlement of an empty continent) was necessary in order for Mormon scholars [sic]to have any plausible loophole at all given the current DNA, linguistic, anthropometric, and archeological evidence; now F.A.R.M.S. would hope to have us believe that the classical view was merely 'tradition' or 'Mormon folklore' and never doctrinal, or at least never officially so.

That's utter BULLSHIT, and there is proof galore that they are lying out their asses, and are guilty of revisionist deception. Or deceptive revisionism. Whatever.

In their frantic, desperate retreat to this last remaining [weak] position on DNA evidence, Mopologists have unwittingly committed the heresy of explicitly repudiating Joseph Smith (and other church presidents) as a Prophet.

But they cannot escape the DNA (or linguistic, or anthropometric) problems with this attempted Houdini maneuver: the paper trail is just too long -- and too damning.

1. JOSEPH SMITH:

A) Joseph Smith described the Book of Mormon as "the history of ancient America . . . from its first settlement by a colony that came from the tower of Babel [the Jaredites]" ? see the early Mormon publication, Times and Seasons, (March 1, 1842) III:707.

B) In 1833 Joseph Smith wrote to Rochester, New York, newspaper editor N. C. Saxton that "[t]he Book of Mormon is a record of the forefathers of our western Tribes of Indians... By it we learn that our western tribes of Indians are descendants from that Joseph that was sold into Egypt?"

C) Joseph Smith wrote in the March 1, 1842 Times and Seasons that, ". . . the principal nation of the second race [i.e., the Nephites and Lamanites] fell in battle towards the close of the fourth century [A.D.]. The remnant are the Indians that now inhabit this country."

D) In June 1834, Joseph Smith recounted the discovery of the skeleton of the now-notorious 'Zelph, the white Lamanite' [sic] in a mound in Illinois, referring to "the mounds which had been thrown up by the ancient inhabitants of this country - Nephites, Lamanites, etc., ?.subsequently the visions of the past being opened to my understanding by the Spirit of the Almighty, I discovered that the person whose skeleton was before us was a white Lamanite, a large thick-set man, and a man of God. His name was Zelph. He was a warrior and chieftain under the great prophet Onandagus, who was known from the Hill Cumorah, or eastern sea to the Rocky mountains...He was killed in battle by the arrow found among his ribs, during the last struggle of the Lamanites and Nephites." (B. H. Roberts, 'Documentary History of the Church', II:79-80; Manuscript History of the Church, Book A-1:482-83, LDS Church Archives, Salt Lake City.)

2. GOD CLEARLY ALSO AGREES THAT TODAY'S NORTH AMERICAN INDIANS ARE LAMANITES (to Joseph Smith, via the Doctrine and Covenants):

a) DandC 3:20
b) DandC 10:48
c) DandC 19:27
d) DandC 28:8-9,14
e) DandC 30:6
f) DandC 32:2
g) DandC 49:24
h) DandC 54:8
i) DandC 57:4 (See also the heading info for this section, which provides contextual expansion.)
j) DandC 101:70-71
k) DandC 109:65-66.

Hey FARMS: read your scriptures!

3. The BOOK OF MORMON:

A) The Introduction to the Book of Mormon explains that the Lamanites, the last surviving Book of Mormon people, are "the principal ancestors of the American Indians." [Note: This line was inserted by a 3-man committee of modern-day Apostles: McConkie, Monson, Packer. I guess they don't know their own church's doctrine as well as FARMS does???]

B) The Jaredites came "into that quarter where there never had man been." (Ether 2:5) The Nephites likewise came to a land "kept from all other nations" (II Nephi 1:9-11).

C) The footnotes of the editions of the Book of Mormon from 1876-1921 indicate Lehi and company landed in Chile; the description of Helaman 3:8 is explicated in the [officially sanctioned] footnotes in editions of the Book of Mormon from 1880-1920: "And it came to pass that they [the Nephites] did multiply and spread, and did go forth from the land [g] southward to the land [h] northward, and did spread insomuch that they began to cover the face of the whole earth, from the sea [i] south, to the sea [j] north, from the sea [k] west, to the sea [l] east." The footnotes provide the following identifications of these lands and bodies of water: "g, South America. h, North America. i, Atlantic, south of Cape Horn. j, Arctic, north of North America. k, Pacific. l, Atlantic."

These footnotes indicate the official Church interpretation of Helaman 3:8 was that the Lamanites/Nephites covered BOTH continents of the entire western hemisphere.

4. THE APOSTLES and PROPHETS OF THE LDS CHURCH HAVE BEEN CONTINUALLY TEACHING THE CLASSICAL / HEMISPHERIC DOCTRINE SINCE 1830:

See the excellent article compiled by Kevin Mathie - with extensive documentation - titled "Who Are the Lamanites?" at http://home.comcast.net/~zarahemla/lamanites.pdf

5. OTHER OFFICIAL CHURCH SOURCES:

A) Prophet-to-be Joseph Fielding Smith, while an Apostle in the Quorum of the Twelve (and official church historian), published: "Within recent years there has arisen among certain students of the Book of Mormon a theory to the effect that within the period covered by the Book of Mormon, the Nephites and Lamanites were confined almost within the borders of the territory comprising Central America and the southern portion of Mexico; the Isthmus of Tehuantepec probably being the "narrow neck" of land spoken of in the Book of Mormon rather than the Isthmus of Panama...This modernistic theory of necessity, in order to be consistent, must place the waters of Ripliancum and the Hill Cumorah some place within the restricted territory of Central America, notwithstanding the teachings of the Church to the contrary for upwards of 100 years... In the light of revelation it is absurd for anyone to maintain that the Nephites and Lamanites did not possess this northern land... In the face of this evidence coming from the Prophet Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer, we cannot say that the Nephites and Lamanites did not possess the territory of the United States and that the Hill Cumorah is in Central America." ('The Deseret News', Church Section, Feb. 27, 1954, pp. 2-3).

B) In the book Gospel Principles -- the Church's own official handbook of basic doctrine: "The Lamanites Will Become a Great People - The Lord said that when his coming was near, the Lamanites would become a righteous and respected people. He said, 'Before the great day of the Lord shall come, . . . the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose' (DandC 49:24). Great numbers of Lamanites in North and South America and the South Pacific are now receiving the blessings of the gospel."

C) In General Conference, 1960 (and the ensuing published official Conference Reports), Spencer W. Kimball said: "I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today.... The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised. In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos, five were darker but equally delightsome The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl--sixteen--sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents--on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather....These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness."

D) Here's a listing of articles published in the Ensign -- many of which were written / spoken by General Authorities (some were First Presidency Messages); all of which were approved by Apostles and Prophets -- that clearly refer to modern Indians of various specific tribes of North / Central / South Aamerica, as being LAMANITES......

from: "A SPECIAL LAMANITE ISSUE" (July 1971)

'The Lamanites (Introduction)', Ensign, July 1971, 5

Spencer W. Kimball, 'Of Royal Blood', Ensign, July 1971, 7 - adapted from an address delivered at the Lamanite Youth Conference in Salt Lake City on April 24, 1971. (Peter MacDonald, chairman of the Navajo Tribal Council, was also one of the speakers at the conference.)

M. Dallas Burnett, 'Lamanites and the Church', Ensign, July 1971, 11 (Associate Editor)

Lawrence E. Cummins, 'Hope for the American Indian?' Ensign, July 1971, 14 (Editorial Associate)

LeRoi Smith, 'The Vanished American', Ensign, July 1971, 20

Barbara Tietjen Jacobs, 'Awakening Guatemala', Ensign, July 1971, 24

'People and Places', New Era, Aug. 1971, 46 ["From the ends of the Western Hemisphere they came to Salt Lake City, Church headquarters, for the All-Lamanite Youth Conference."]

Harold Brown, 'What Is a Lamanite?' Ensign, Sept. 1972, 62

'L Is for Indian - And Other Family Projects', Ensign, Aug. 1973, 63

'News of the Church: Lamanite Self-Help Programs: A Status Report', Ensign, Sept. 1973, 88

'A Conversation with Dallin H. Oaks, President of Brigham Young University', Ensign, Oct. 1975, 17

ANOTHER 'SPECIAL LAMANITE ISSUE' (December 1975)

Spencer W. Kimball, 'Our Paths Have Met Again', Ensign, Dec. 1975, 2 (First Presidency Message)

Dean L. Larsen, 'Mingled Destinies: The Lamanites and the Latter-day Saints', Ensign, Dec. 1975, 8

'The Church in the Lamanite World: Scanning the Special Programs Created to Meet Lamanite Needs', Ensign, Dec. 1975, 16

Lane Johnson, 'When Schools Are Few', Ensign, Dec. 1975, 20 (Assistant Editor)

Chris L. Jones, 'Seminary for Six-Year-Olds', Ensign, Dec. 1975, 21

Harold C. Brown, 'Learning the Best of Both Worlds' Cultures', Ensign, Dec. 1975, 22

Janice Clark, 'Combating the Life-Shorteners', Ensign, Dec. 1975, 24 (Assistant Editor)

Jerry Lee Turley, 'I Saw My Counselors Walk In', Ensign, Jan. 1976, 55

President Spencer W. Kimball, 'A Report and a Challenge', Ensign, Nov. 1976, 4 [Friday Morning Conference Session, October 1, 1976] see: "Lamanite Work - Our Lamanite work has been going forward. The American Indians?"

Max H Parkin, 'Missouri's Impact on the Church', Ensign, Apr. 1979, 57 [refers to DandC revelations: "the border of the Lamanite" ] These particular Lamanites happened to be Delaware and Shawnee tribes.

President Spencer W. Kimball, 'The Uttermost Parts of the Earth', Ensign, July 1979, 2

Victor L. Brown, 'Blessing the One', Ensign, Nov. 1979, 88 Presiding Bishop [Welfare Session of General Conference]

Gene R. Cook, 'Miracles among the Lamanites', Ensign, Nov. 1980, 67

Marvin K. Gardner, 'Taking the Church Anywhere', Ensign, June 1981, 38 (Assistant Editor)

'News of the Church', Ensign, Oct. 1984, 75 - Temple in Dallas Means Blessings for Southwestern Saints - During the post-Civil War period, missionaries were at work throughout the South and Southwest. Early missionary work in Oklahoma was done while it was part of the Indian Territory Mission; at first, missionaries worked among Lamanites, then later among white settlers.

Neal A. Maxwell, 'In Memorium - Spencer, the Beloved: Leader-Servant', Ensign, Dec. 1985, 8

Dallin H. Oaks, 'Priesthood Blessings' Ensign, May 1987, 36 Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles [Priesthood Session 4 April 1987] refers to the 1866 Black Hawk War in Orson F. Whitney's "Life of Heber C. Kimball, an Apostle" 2d ed., Salt Lake City: Stevens and Wallis, 1945, p. 429).

'News of the Church: Celebrating the Sesquicentennial' Ensign, Oct. 1997, 73 Native American Conference - A one-day conference for Native Americans was held on 25 July in Provo, Utah. Between 400 and 500 people attended, representing tribes from across the United States. Attending: Elders M. Russell Ballard and Jeffrey R. Holland....

Ronald W. Walker, 'We Must Keep One Another', Ensign, June 2001, 44 - Brigham Young and members of the Otoes, Potawatomi, and Omaha tribes

E) And don't forget BYU's long-running 'LAMANITE GENERATION' Program:

'News of the Church', Ensign, Sept. 1982, 77 Group Makes Friends in China - Members of the Lamanite Generation include Indians from areas of North America, natives or descendants of natives of the Pacific isles, and representatives from Mexican and South American cultures.

'News of the Church', Ensign, Sept. 1983, 78 Lamanite Generation Tours Latin America - Lamanite to Lamanite?. From Lima, Peru, to Mexico City, from Ecuador to Bolivia to Brazil, ? The Lamanite Generation?. perform traditional and modern arrangements of music and dance native to their cultures. [photo] Dancers from BYU's Lamanite Generation perform the Plains Indian Hoop Dance. [photo] Elouise Curley, a Navajo member of BYU's Lamanite Generation, meets a Bolivian child at a La Paz rehabilitation center.

Jayne B. Malan, 'Janie Thompson', Ensign, Mar. 1986, 32 ['Lamanite Generation' - Indian Program] - It was organized in 1971 as part of a missionary effort for the Southwest Indian Mission?

'News of the Church', Ensign, Nov. 1992, 110 Lamanite Generation Performs in Spain - "....a twist on the 500th anniversary of Columbus's arrival in the Americas. While the famous navigator traveled from Spain to a New World and encountered Indians, the Lamanite Generation traveled from the New World to discover the land of Columbus."

SO, who are YOU going to trust with answers about the Church's official doctrine on Lamanites / AmerIndians: F.A.R.M.S...... *or* Scriptures, General Authorities, and the Ensign???
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Check Out These Choice Quotes On The Indians/Lamanites From The BOM Institute Manual!
Wednesday, May 25, 2005, at 09:27 AM
Original Author(s): Anonymous
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
Just packing again and looked through my BOM institute manual. This was published in 1981 by (once again) a vicious anti-Mormon outfit which is always taking things out of context. Its name, on the first page, is "THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS".

Page 112:

"Mulek himself, and possibly all the so-called Mulekites, were Jews of the tribe of Judah. They were exceedingly numerous when discovered by the people of King Mosiah (See Omni 1:17). So, in addition to being descendants of Jews (in the national sense), there is A LOT of the blood of JUDAH, including a branch of the royal line, AMONG THE MODERN LAMANITES".

Same page, from S.W. Kimball:

"The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years, they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming WHITE and delightsome, as they were promised. In a picture of...twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos; five were darker but were equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

"...There was the doctor in a Utah city who for two years had had an Indian boy in his home who stated that he was some shades lighter than the younger brother just coming into the program from the reservation. These young members of the church are changing into WHITENESS, AND TO DELIGHTSOMENESS".


"We now have some half million Indian or Lamanite members...89 stakes that are entirely Lamanite" (from Gen. Conference, Oct. 1960).

Check this out, from page 469.

"Mormon, knowing that his words would come forth in the last days gave a special message to the Lamanites or our day, whom he called...'a remnant of the house of Israel (Mor.7:1).

The Lamanites of today ARE DESCENDANTS OF GREAT BOOK OF MORMON LEADERS. Therefore, THEY ARE OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL."

There is also a little segment quoting Joseph's story of Zelph, the "white Lamanite", as evidence that of course the Lamanites did spread through North America, as Joseph always insisted.

Church defenders, I believe, do not quite grasp that simply suggesting that none of this was "official church doctrine", itself a difficult claim to sustain, doesn't really do anything other than raise other more devastating questions, like:

If church leaders could get stuff THIS BASIC wrong - like, who is their founding scripture about, and who are their blood descendants, etc.? - what ELSE could they have gotten wrong? Why should we credit them at all, if as you say, they all missed something that basic, and which was so easily revealed to Matthew Roper and John Sorenson? And anyway, why should Mormons disbelieve prophets and apostles, and believe instead a marginalized set of scholars who keep saying the prophets and apostles are wrong are incorrect on the most basic religious claim imaginable?

Defenders sometimes imply that arguments should be accepted because those making them possess superior authority; but they have far less "authority" in the minds of most members than do GA's; and certainly, there are far more prominent "authorities" in all of their fields, who probably to a man would dismiss most Mormon apologetic arguments as not much more than rubbish. So, arguments to authority just don't work for FARMS guys: because the authorities ABOVE them, whether ecclesiastical or secular, nearly all have disagreed with them!

But all this raises another question: since defenders are in contradiction with many leaders past and present, why are those apostles funding and promoting those scholars' work? And how can that NOT raise questions about whether the church is really being run by an omniscient mind, who presumably values internal coherence? How can "'A' equal 'Not A'", even for God? If, as Alma says, God could not violate free agency without ceasing to be God, and as Joseph and Brigham said (and D&C), is bound by laws, and is more of a supreme engineer or architect rather than a magician, I don't see any warrant anywhere for presuming that even God could make two plus two equal five, or that he could make one thing, and its oppposite, identical, just by divine decree. Once again, this approach seems to not amount to much of an argument for the church at all.

Why should anyone doubt that the shifting explanations for the Book of Mormon are being provoked not by increased revelation, but by "the arm of the flesh" as it expresses itself in the very earthy disciplines of anthropology, linguistics, archaeology, zoology, etc.? To believe otherwise, would be to believe that Sorenson et al would be coming up with these scenarios, EVEN IF all those disciplines had CORROBORATED Joseph's own pronunciations on BOM geography and anthropology, rather than create difficulties for them - and this is NOT BELIEVABLE. Would John Sorenson really still be disagreeing with Joseph Smith if all the evidence was in Joseph's favour?

And, if the goalposts are being shifted not because of revelation, but from, as Joseph Fielding Smith once noted of the LGT, of necessity due to the evidence yielded by human disciplines and the understanding yielded by human minds - why should members then NOT (following the precedent established by FARMS themselves) likewise allow on to the table things like physical evidence and allow their own minds to do their jobs, in trying to evaluate and understand the BOM? If one piece of evidence is laid on the table by FARMS, it opens the door to all of them being laid on the table; and it just won't do to claim, as GBH did in The Ensign a couple of years ago, that only confirming evidence counts. It is no wonder there is something of a hermorrhaging. The church has done all this to itself, and still doesn't even seem to realize it.

Back to one church argument: if it was not ever "official church doctrine" (despite "Jesus'" support in the D&C) that the Lamanites were the "principal ancestors" of the American Indian, and that they are descended from BOM leaders, etc., why was it preached from the pulpit by presidents and apostles, and then placed in official church manuals, and included in the introduction the church's own edition of the BOM? Why does Jesus think it was?

In other words, another problem with this line of defense is that if THIS was not "official church doctrine", then NOTHING is (with one exception). And if the church has no doctrine other than "obey your file leader", it is difficult to see how it can live up to its own claims about itself, and rather, how it seems to endorse all of the worst characterizations made of it.

I continue to be unable to see why any "anti-Mormon" should ever be a concern to the church; all the most devastating questions are raised by the church's own manuals, website, scriptures, leaders, and defenders.
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Who Are The Lamanites?
Friday, Feb 17, 2006, at 10:06 AM
Original Author(s): Deconstructor
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
Modern church apologists want to pretend that the church doesn't know who Lamanites are. They should be embarassed to say such lies to the press, when the record is so glarringly clear on this matter.

For the record, the church has declared emphatically who their Lamanites are:

D&C 28: 8 And now, behold, I say unto you that you shall go unto the Lamanites and preach my gospel unto them; and inasmuch as they receive thy teachings thou shalt cause my church to be established among them; and thou shalt have revelations, but write them not by way of commandment.

D&C 28: 9 And now, behold, I say unto you that it is not revealed, and no man knoweth where the city Zion shall be built, but it shall be given hereafter. Behold, I say unto you that it shall be on the borders by the Lamanites.

D&C 28: 14 And thou shalt assist to settle all these things, according to the covenants of the church, before thou shalt take thy journey among the Lamanites.

D&C 30: 6 And be you afflicted in all his afflictions, ever lifting up your heart unto me in prayer and faith, for his and your deliverance; for I have given unto him power to build up my church among the Lamanites;

D&C 32: 2 And that which I have appointed unto him is that he shall go with my servants, Oliver Cowdery and Peter Whitmer, Jun., into the wilderness among the Lamanites.

D&C 49: 24 But before the great day of the Lord shall come, Jacob shall flourish in the wilderness, and the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose.

D&C 54: 8 And thus you shall take your journey into the regions westward, unto the land of Missouri, unto the borders of the Lamanites.

"Not until the revelations of Joseph Smith, bringing forth the Book of Mormon, did any one know of these migrants. It was not known before, but now the question is fully answered. Now the Lamanites number about sixty million; they are in all of the states of America from Tierra del Fuego all the way up to Point Barrows, and they are in nearly all the islands of the sea from Hawaii south to southern New Zealand. The Church is deeply interested in all Lamanites because of these revelations and because of this great Book of Mormon, their history that was written on plates of gold and deposited in the hill. The translation by the Prophet Joseph Smith revealed a running history for one thousand years-six hundred years before Christ until four hundred after Christ-a history of these great people who occupied this land for that thousand years. Then for the next fourteen hundred years, they lost much of their high culture. The descendants of this mighty people were called Indians by Columbus in 1492 when he found them here." --Spencer W. Kimball, "Of Royal Blood," Ensign, July 1971, 7 (In the "Special Lamanite Section")

Before 1978 the BOM used the term "white and delightsome" to show how great white people were. In 1978 when the church changed theier stance on blacks, they changed the word "white" to "pure". It’s in 2Nephi 30:6, but that was only a window dressing,

The church left these:

1 Nephi 12:23 23 And it came to pass that I beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations.

1 Nephi 13:15 15 And I beheld the Spirit of the Lord, that it was upon the Gentiles, and they did prosper and obtain the land for their inheritance; and I beheld that they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people before they were slain.

2 Nephi 5:21 21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

Jacob 3:8 8 O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought with them before the throne of God.

Alma 3:6 6 And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.

3 Nephi 2:15 15 And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites;

Mormon 5:15 15 And also that the seed of this people may more fully believe his gospel, which shall go forth unto them from the Gentiles; for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us, yea, even that which hath been among the Lamanites, and this because of their unbelief and idolatry.

What Is The OFFICIAL Church Doctrine re: Ancestral Origins Of North American Indians??

GOD's POSITION (to Joseph Smith, via the DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS):

Well, the Lord makes it clear to JS in D&C 3:18-20 --

18 And this testimony [the BoM] shall come to the knowledge of the Lamanites, and the Lemuelites, and the Ishmaelites, who dwindled in unbelief because of the iniquity of their fathers, whom the Lord has suffered to destroy their brethren the Nephites, because of their iniquities and their abominations.

19 And for this very purpose are these plates preserved, which contain these records–that the promises of the Lord might be fulfilled, which he made to his epeople;

20 And that the Lamanites might come to the knowledge of their fathers, and that they might know the promises of the Lord, and that they may believe the gospel and rely upon the merits of Jesus Christ, and be glorified through faith in his name, and that through their repentance they might be saved. Amen

So, dear TBMs, if the indigenous peoples of the New World were Lamanites in 1828, when Section 3 was "revealed," and if they were Lamanites when I was assigned to work among them on my mission in the early 1970s, then they're still Lamanites today and the folks at FARMS are making up bullshit excuses.

D&C 32:2 And that which I have appointed unto him is that he shall go with my servants, Oliver Cowdery and Peter Whitmer, Jun., into the wilderness among the Lamanites.

D&C 49:24 But before the great day of the Lord shall come, Jacob shall flourish in the wilderness, and the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose.

D&C 54:8 And thus you shall take your journey into the regions westward, unto the land of Missouri, unto the borders of the Lamanites.

How could they go among the Lamanites if the Lamanites were gone? How could they establish a church of nonexistent people? How could the Lamanites blossom as a rose if they had already died off?

D&C 10:48 D&C 19:27 D&C 28:8-9,14 D&C 30:6 D&C 57:4 (See also the heading info, which provides contextual expansion.) D&C 101:70-71 D&C 109:65-66.

BOOK OF MORMON:

1) The Introduction to the Book of Mormon that the Lamanites, the last surviving Book of Mormon people, are "the principal ancestors of the American Indians." The intro also says "Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel."

Furthermore, Moroni mentions several times he's writing to the Lamanites.

If the Lamanites wouldn't survive until the coming forth of the BoM -- as Moroni should have known, since he was a righteous prophet -- then why address his remarks to them? Maybe he didn't know, huh?

2) The Jaredites came "into that quarter where there never had man been." (Ether 2:5) The Nephites likewise came to a land "kept from all other nations" (II Nephi 1:9-11).

3) The footnotes of the editions of the Book of Mormon from 1876-1921 indicate Lehi & company landed in Chile; the description of Helaman 3:8 is explicated in the [officially sanctioned] footnotes in editions of the Book of Mormon from 1880-1920: "And it came to pass that they [the Nephites] did multiply and spread, and did go forth from the land [g] southward to the land [h] northward, and did spread insomuch that they began to cover the face of the whole earth, from the sea [i] south, to the sea [j] north, from the sea [k] west, to the sea [l] east." The footnotes provide the following identifications of these lands and bodies of water: "g, South America. h, North America. i, Atlantic, south of Cape Horn. j, Arctic, north of North America. k, Pacific. l, Atlantic." These footnotes indicate the official Church interpretation of Helaman 3:8 was that the Lamanites/Nephites covered BOTH continents of the entire western hemisphere.

THE 'PROPHET' JOSEPH SMITH:

1) Joseph Smith described the Book of Mormon as "the history of ancient America . . . from its

2) In 1833 Joseph Smith wrote to Rochester, New York, newspaper editor N. C. Saxton that "[t]he Book of Mormon is a record of the forefathers of our western Tribes of Indians... By it we learn that our western tribes of Indians are descendants from that Joseph that was sold into Egypt…"

3) Joseph Smith wrote in the March 1, 1842 Times and Seasons that, ". . . the principal nation of the second race [i.e., the Nephites and Lamanites] fell in battle towards the close of the fourth century [A.D.]. The remnant are the Indians that now inhabit this country."

4) In June 1834, Joseph Smith recounted the discovery of the skeleton of the now-notorious 'Zelph, the white Lamanite' [sic] in a mound in Illinois, referring to "the mounds which had been thrown up by the ancient inhabitants of this country - Nephites, Lamanites, etc., ….subsequently the visions of the past being opened to my understanding by the Spirit of the Almighty, I discovered that the person whose skeleton was before us was a white Lamanite, a large thick-set man, and a man of God. His name was Zelph. He was a warrior and chieftain under the great prophet Onandagus, who was known from the Hill Cumorah, or eastern sea to the Rocky mountains...He was killed in battle by the arrow found among his ribs, during the last struggle of the Lamanites and Nephites." (B. H. Roberts, 'Documentary History of the Church', II:79-80; Manuscript History of the Church, Book A-1:482-83, LDS Church Archives, Salt Lake City.)

OTHER OFFICIAL SOURCES:

1) In the book Gospel Principles -- the Church's own official handbook of basic doctrine: "The Lamanites Will Become a Great People - The Lord said that when his coming was near, the Lamanites would become a righteous and respected people. He said, 'Before the great day of the Lord shall come, . . . the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose' (D&C 49:24). Great numbers of Lamanites in North and South America and the South Pacific are now receiving the blessings of the gospel."

2) Prophet-to-be Joseph Fielding Smith, while an Apostle in the Quorum of the Twelve (and official church historian), published: "Within recent years there has arisen among certain students of the Book of Mormon a theory to the effect that within the period covered by the Book of Mormon, the Nephites and Lamanites were confined almost within the borders of the territory comprising Central America and the southern portion of Mexico; the Isthmus of Tehuantepec probably being the "narrow neck" of land spoken of in the Book of Mormon rather than the Isthmus of Panama...This modernistic theory of necessity, in order to be consistent, must place the waters of Ripliancum and the Hill Cumorah some place within the restricted territory of Central America, notwithstanding the teachings of the Church to the contrary for upwards of 100 years... In the light of revelation it is absurd for anyone to maintain that the Nephites and Lamanites did not possess this northern land... In the face of this evidence coming from the Prophet Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer, we cannot say that the Nephites and Lamanites did not possess the territory of the United States and that the Hill Cumorah is in Central America." ('The Deseret News', Church Section, Feb. 27, 1954, pp. 2-3).

3) In General Conference, 1960 (and the ensuing published official Conference Reports), Spencer W. Kimball said: "I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today.... The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised. In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos, five were darker but equally delightsome The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl--sixteen--sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents--on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather....These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness." [NOTE: the Navajo/Dine is among the most obviously Asian of all Native American tribes, in terms of their DNA, linguistics, orhtodonty, cranial shape, etc.]

(We believe).... "That the existing Indian tribes are all direct descendants of Lehi and his company, and that therefore they have sprung from men all of whom were of the house of Israel." -- James E. Talmage, The Articles of Faith, p.293

"When Columbus discovered America, the native inhabitants, the American Indians as they were soon to be designated, were a people of mixed blood and origin. Chiefly, they were Lamanites, but such remnants of the Nephite nation as had not been destroyed had, of course, mingled with the Lamanites. Thus the Indians were Jews by nationality.... [since then] there has been [a]... dilution of the pure Lamanitish blood. ... But with it all, the great majority are the descendants of the original inhabitants of the Western Hemisphere, the dominant blood lineage is that of Israel. The Indians are repeatedly called Lamanites in the revelations to.... become again a white and delightsome people as were their ancestors a great many generations ago." -- Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 2nd Ed., 1966, pp. 32-33.

"... that the Book of Mormon is about the only historical document we have at the present time of this great western world? ... . It tells, briefly, it is true, a story that at once could be accepted by scientists, philologists and all other men who would investigate it. Every year brings to our knowledge something that corroborates that book as a true historical document" -- Andrew Jensen Conference Report, October 1907, p.96 "Here (holding the Book of Mormon in his hand) we present a record of this American continent, a history of a branch of the tribe of Joseph, for nearly 600 years before Christ, and until 420 years after Christ, a history of the Lord's dealings with them from the time they left Jerusalem until one of their principal nations fell in battle, because of their apostacy; and the descendants of the remaining remnant are this degenerated people we call Indians, who still exist. .... which afterwards became a "multitude of nations," according to the blessing pronounced by the ancient patriarch Jacob, when [p.174] blessing his two grandsons, Ephraim and Manasseh." -- Orson Pratt Journal of Discourses Vol. 19, p.173

"We can pray to the Father, in the name of Jesus, to convert these Indian tribes around us ... that they shall be instructed not only in relation to their fathers and the Gospel contained in the record of their fathers... because they are of the blood of Israel" -- Orson Pratt, Journal of Discoursess Vol. 17, p.301, (1875)

"... the blood of Manasseh is found in the tribes and nations of the Indians of North and South America." -- Hyrum G. Smith, Conf report April 1929, p 123

"And we have scarcely touched the Indian races. There is an immense field spreading out before the Elders of this Church in the redemption of these poor remnants of the house of Israel. ... But here stretches out before us this immense continent on the south, peopled with descendants of the house of Israel" -- ; George Q Cannon, Collected Discourses Vol. 5, p.269

"These natives belong to the house of Israel.... The Lord has taken from this race any disposition for improvement even to this day; the best of them consider it a disgrace to work. Whatever drudgery is performed is done by their squaws, or by slaves captured from neighboring, tribes or bands. Ask any of them to work; the reply is, "me big Indian, me no work."... It is prophesied by Nephi as follows: "For after the book [Book of Mormon] of which I have spoken shall come forth, and be written unto the Gentiles, and sealed up again unto the Lord, there shall be many which shall believe the words which are written; and they shall carry them forth unto the remnant of our seed [the present American Indians.] And then shall the remnant of our seed know concerning us, how that we came out from Jerusalem, and that they are descendants of the Jews." -- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses Vol. 10, p.359

"... to serve and to teach hundreds of the children of Father Lehi. One expression of appreciation from an Indian boy included these moving words: "Before I took LDS seminary I didn't have very much to live for. ... I had always felt that Indians could not do things as well as white people. Now I know that I am a child of God. I know that my people are of the house of Israel. ... " -- Neal A. Maxwell Conference Report, October 1970, p.93

"I have had the privilege of laboring among the true blood of Israel, through the loins of Joseph, through the two branches of the House of Israel--Ephraim and Manasseh -- a people whom the Lord loves -- a people whom the Lord chastens and forgives because of their great faith." -- E. Wesley Smith Conference Report, October 1950, p.47

"Here he [God] has the Indian or Lamanite, with a background of twenty-five centuries of superstition, degradation, idolatry, and indolence.... I present to you a people who, according to prophecies, have been scattered and driven, defrauded and deprived, who are a "branch of the tree of Israel -- lost from its body -- wanderers in a strange land"--their own land.... I beg of you, do not disparage the Lamanite-Nephites ... Do not scoff and ignore these Nephite-Lamanites... Do not prate your power of speech or your fearlessness unless you too could stand with the Prophet Samuel on the city wall, dodging stones and spears and arrows while trying to preach the gospel of salvation. The very descendants of this great prophet are with us. They may be Navajos or Cherokees.... Mayas or Pimas.... Piutes or Mohicans.... And in these living descendants ... will be redeemed, will rise and will become a blessed people. God has said it." Spencer W. Kimball, Conference Report, April 1954, p.106-108

"In a sense I do not feel sorry for the Indian people because they are children of promise, belonging as they do to the house of Israel and are the posterity of Abraham, the father of the faithful, through whose lineage the Lord promised that all nations of the earth are to be blessed; therefore, they are a chosen race and people unto God, possessing a divine and royal heritage." Delbert L. Stapley , Conference Report, April 1956, p.56

"I presume that a majority of the brethren and sisters who are here this afternoon have read in the Book of Mormon the statement made by one of the writers, quoting the words of our Savior, in regard to the city of New Jerusalem, that the Gentiles should be called to assist the Lamanites, or the seed of the house of Israel, in the erection and building of that city. ... I begin to see a little of the preparatory work that I think is going to fit and prepare the seed of Lehi, or the Lamanites, to perform this great and glorious work that has been predicted upon their heads. One of the ancient prophets predicted that kings and queens should be the nursing fathers and nursing mothers of the seed of Israel in the latter days; and I find that, in a sense, this is being fulfilled in the stake over which I preside. The government of the United States, which, I presume, may be classed with the kingdoms of the earth, is establishing schools, and there is one in our neighborhood that I desire to refer to briefly. It isupon the San Juan river, among the Navajo Indians, and is costing several hundreds of thousands of dollars." -- Elder Walter C. Lyman , Conference Report, October 1907, p.86

"Guatemala is a country of about three million people. About half of them still dress in the Indian costume of a thousand or two thousand years back. They are wonderful people, very simple.... . I went... to present them with a Book of Mormon. I started to say, "I come to give you a copy of the Book of Mormon, a history of your people," and two chiefs immediately arose on their feet, and I started to say, "You are of the house of Israel," but before I could get it out of my mouth they jumped to their feet and said, "We are of the House of Israel." Elder Gordon M. Romney, Conference Report, April 1957, p.80

"That is the destiny of our Indian tribes... the Lord has rewarded unto them double for all the sins that were committed by their ancient fathers in their apostacy, and when he has visited them in judgment according to the prophecies that are contained in this Book of Mormon, and the times of the Gentiles who noir occupy this land are fulfilled, then the Lord will make have his arm, and he will redeem these remnants of Israel, that they may inherit the blessings promised to their ancient fathers." -- Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses Vol. 16, p.353 (1874)

"Neither will He suffer that the Gentiles shall destroy the seed of thy brethren"–that is, the Lamanites proper. They were not to be permitted to destroy Nephi's seed that should be mingled among the Lamanites, nor should they be permitted to destroy the Lamanites–that is, the descendants of Laman and Lemuel. Nephi predicted this. To-day it is said that the Indians will perish, and that it is impossible to save them. Here is the word of God recorded in this sacred book. ... And strange to say–if anything can be said to be strange connected with the work of God–the descendants of those ancient covenant people of the Lord, have gladly received the testimony of the servants of God. Wherever we have gone and mingled with those people, with those Red Men, and been able to communicate to them the truths of which we are in possession, which God has revealed to us, ... and everywhere where those men with red skins dwell, they have gladly received the testimony of God's servants concerning the Gospel, and they rejoicein its fullness and in the knowledge that their fathers once possessed, and of the redemption that Jesus Christ has wrought out for them." -- George Q Cannon, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 25, p.124, (1884)

The work of the Lord among the Lamanites must not be postponed, if we desire to retain the approval of God. Thus far we have been content simply to baptize them and let them run wild again, but this must continue no longer; the same devoted effort, the same care in instructing, the same organization of priesthood must be introduced and maintained among the house of Lehi as amongst those of Israel gathered from gentile nations. As yet, God has been doing all, and we comparatively nothing. He has led many of them to us, and they have been baptized, and now we must instruct them further, and organize them into churches with proper presidencies, attach them to our stakes, organizations, etc. In one word, treat them exactly, in these respects, as we would and do treat our white brethren. (Mellennial Star 44:33; a letter from SLC dated Oct 18, 1882.)

In July 1843 a band of Potttawattamies came to see JS, looking for sympathy on having their lands taken from the. JS told them: "The Great Spirit has given me a book, and told me that you will soon be blessed again. The Great Spirit will soon talk with you and your children. This is the book which your fathers made. I wrote upon it (showing them the BoM). This tells what you have to do. Do not kill white men; it is not good; but ask the Great Spirit for what you want, and it will not be long before the Great Spirit will bless you, and you will cultivate the earth and build good houses like white men. Vol 5, p. 381

And, in May 1844 a band of Sac and Fox Indians came and camped out in Nauvoo to see JS, complaining "they had been robbed of their lands by whites and cruelly treated." J.S.'s response was: " I told them I knew they had been wronged, but that we had bought this land and paid our money for it. I advised them not to sell any more land, but to cultivate peace with the different tribes and with all men, as the Great Spirit wanted them to be united and to live in peace. 'The Great Spirit has enabled me to find a book [showing them the Book of Mormon], which told me about your fathers, and the Great Spirit told me, 'You must send to all the tribes you can, and tell them to live in peace;' and when any of our people come to see you, I want you to trear them as we treat you.'" (Vol 6, p. 401-402).
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Lamanites, Lamanites Everywhere, But Nary A Drop Of Jewish DNA To Spare Readily-Available Lamanites
Friday, Feb 17, 2006, at 10:15 AM
Original Author(s): Steve Benson
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
Lamanites, Lamanites Everywhere, But Nary a Drop of Jewish DNA to Spare

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Identifying From Whom the Lamanites Originally Descended

from the Prophet Joseph Smith:

"When I was about 17 years old I saw another vision of angels in the night season after I had retired to bed I had not been asleep . . . [

"[A]ll at once the room was illuminated above the brightness of the sun an angel appeared before me . . .

"[H]e said unto me, 'I am a messenger sent from God, be faithful and keep his commandments in all things.'

"[H]e told me of a sacred record which was written on plates of gold. I saw in the vision the place where they were deposited.

"[H]e said the Indians were the literal descendants of Abraham."


(The Papers of Joseph Smith, Vol. 2, Journal, 1832-1842, edited by Dean C. Jessee, Deseret Book Company, Salt Lake City, copyright 1992, Corporation of the President, pp. 69-70), emphasis added
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from the Book of Mormon:

"And then shall the remnant of our seed know concerning us, how that we came out from Jerusalem, and that they are descendants of the Jews." (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 30:4), emphasis added
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Identifiying Who the Lamanites Are Today

from President Spencer W. Kimball:

"The term 'Lamanite' includes all Indians and Indian mixtures, such as the Polynesians, the Guatemalans, the Peruvians, as well as the Sioux, the Apache, the Mohawk, the Navajo, and others. It is a large group of great people." ("Of Royal Blood," Ensign, July 1971, p. 7), emphasis
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Determining Where Scads of Lamanites Are Presently Living

from Boyd K. Packer, senior Apostle over Lamanite affairs:

",b>There are more than 60 million people of Lamanite extraction. It is no accident that the Church now prospers among them in Mexico, Central and South America, in the islands of the sea, and among the Indian tribes of North America."

("President Spencer W. Kimball: No Ordinary Man," Ensign, March 1974, pp. 3ff), emphasis added
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"In contrast to the relatively few in North America who could claim Lamanite lineage (1.3 million), Packer pointed to the many millions in Mexico, Yucatan, Guatemala, and throughout South America: 'In all . .. . there are seventy-five million six hundred thousand who share in your [Native American Lamanite] birthright, of whom thrity-one million nine hundred ninety thousand are pure Indians.'"

(address given during proceedings of the annual Indian Week at BYU, cited by Armand L. Mauss, All Abraham's Children, p. 96), emphasis added
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Determing from the Mormon Church the Present Location of Jewish DNA Among All These Readily-Available Lamanites.

Well, ummm . . .

"There has been no 'official' response from the Mormon Church regarding the DNA research, Native Americans and the implications for the Book of Mormon, other than the statement posted on the Mormon.org website under the heading 'Mistakes in the News' which states:

"'DNA and the Book of Mormon
Various media outlets, 11 November 2003


"'The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ is exactly what it claims to be - a record of God's dealings with peoples of ancient America and a second witness of the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ.

"'The strongest witness of the Book of Mormon is to be obtained by living the Christ-centered principles contained in its pages and by praying about its truthfulness.

"Recent attacks on the veracity of the Book of Mormon based on DNA evidence are ill considered.

"Nothing in the Book of Mormon precludes migration into the Americas by peoples of Asiatic origin. The scientific issues relating to DNA, however, are numerous and complex. . . . '"


(http://www.lds.org/newsroom/mistakes/0,15331,3885-1-18078,00.html)

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For an examination of the corner into which the Mormon Church itself and modern genetic science have painted the absurd LDS position on the subject of Lamanite DNA, see "Lamanites No More: DNA and Lost Ties to Father Lehi," at:

http://www.irr.org/MIT/Lamanites-DNA-Book-of-Mormon.html
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The Lord Commands: Have Sex With The Lamanites
Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006, at 07:31 AM
Original Author(s): Deconstructor
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
The Lord knows who his Lamanites are.

In fact, in 1831, the Lord instructed seven married missionaries in Missouri as follows:
"Verily, I say unto you, that the wisdom of man, in his fallen state, knoweth not the purposes and the privileges of my holy priesthood, but ye shall know when ye receive a fulness by reason of the anointing: For it is my will, that in time, ye should take unto you wives of the Lamanites and Nephites, that their posterity may become white, delightsome and just, for even now their females are more virtuous than the gentiles."
- Revelation from the Prophet Joseph Smith, Missouri, 1831

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/i...

If the Native-American women weren't Lamanites, then why was the Lord commanding married Mormons to have sex with them?
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DNA Article Fallout
Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006, at 07:37 AM
Original Author(s): Captain Caveman
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
I got inot a massive and sometimes heated discussion with the in-laws over the DNA article. i didn't mention that i found the article here, or else they'd have gone ballistic. i DO read a lot of newspapers from all over, i have for a long time. call me a nerd, but to me it's interesting.

anyways.... they read the first few paragraphs and immediately jumped on the defensive and never finished the article. we looked at the Church's non-positional statement on DNA research in general, and they were please by that. I pointed out that while the Church had a non-response that they agreed with, i liked leaders who actually lead, and that i was not satisfied with a non answer. i wanted the church to stand up for what it taught and defend itself (heh, yeah... like that'll happen). i then suggested we read the attached 'research' papers regarding DNA evidences and gene drift from the apologists that the Church's non response had linked to.

http://www.lds.org/newsroom/mistakes/...

they didnt like that AT ALL....

basically they came up with this.... the church did print the introduction saying Lamanites were the 'principle ancestors' of native americans. HOWEVER, the introduction was not doctrine.

the next defense that was offered, after some discussion, was that nobody ever defined the term 'principle ancestor' so the whole DNA 'thing' is a moot point. i pulled out a dictionay and said hmmm... principle... basis, foundation.... ancestor... person from whom one is descended... does that work?

they didnt like that either, and at this point the dad got quite agitated.

i find it hard to call them mother-in-law or father-in-law because it ties me closer to them than i'd like to let it sound. so for now, it's 'the mom' and 'the dad' of DW.

anyways, the dad get mad and says the BoM is true regardless. i said nothing can prove it to be false really... but the evidence just wasnt there for me to call it true either.

i left them with the following questions that they couldnt answer and made the mom visibly uncomfortable:

"were you or were you not ever told that Native Americans and also Polynesians were Lamanites?"

of course they were, but today they dont admit it.

followed quickly by:

"If the church didn't agree with it, why have countless prophets called them Lamanites in the past?"

i think that the church is in a no-win situation. if TSCC says the principle ancestors of native americans are NOT lamanites, the whole church prior to recent years has been utterly wrong and led astray. if they continue to remain silent, the apologists are going to 'do the speaking for the church' and attempt to make it seem like the church never said native americans are lamanites. if they DO make a statement claiming that native americans are lamanites, they'll be going against their apologists and i can guarantee they'd lose some 'fence sitting' members over it.
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Just So It's Perfectly Clear - Mexicans Are Lamanites And So Are Hawaiians
Thursday, Mar 2, 2006, at 07:57 AM
Original Author(s): Charles Darwin's Assistant
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
Just some excerpts from dedicatory prayers of a few temples. The Kirtland Temple dedication made it into the D&C, so can we not infer that these prayers also are "inspired" words uttered by "modern-day prophets?"

Apia Samoa Temple - DEDICATED 5-6 AUGUST 1983 - BY GORDON B. HINCKLEY
"We are grateful for these beautiful islands of Samoa, and for Thy faithful Saints who dwell here. Jacob, son of Lehi, declared anciently: "Great are the promises of the Lord unto them who are upon the isles of the sea" (2 Nephi 10:21). We have witnessed the fulfillment of Thy covenant, for Thou hast not forgotten them."
Also:
"ilt Thou smile with favor upon this Holy Edifice and by Thy power preserve and protect it. Frustrate the designs of any who would conspire to damage it or defile it in any way. May the grounds on which it stands be ever beautiful with the grass, the flowers, the shrubs, and trees which are of Thy creation. May the structure in all of its aspects be preserved from the ravages of nature, and any vandalism or defilement of man. May the Building function properly in all of this generation and of generations to come visit it frequently and use it for the accomplishment of Thy divine purposes remembering always while so doing that they are guests in Thy Sacred House."
On July 9, 2003, the temple was engulfed in flames. It was rebuilt, and rededicated in 2005.

Buenos Aires Argentina Temple - DEDICATED 17-19 JANUARY 1986 - BY THOMAS S. MONSON
"Wilt Thou, our Father, continue to bless the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and likewise the descendants of Lehi and Nephi, that the promises contained in the Holy Bible and in the Book of Mormon may be brought to fulfillment and our homes and families blessed abundantly."
Cochabamba Bolivia Temple - DEDICATED 30 APRIL 2000 - BY GORDON B. HINCKLEY
"We remember before Thee the sons and daughters of Father Lehi. Wilt Thou keep Thine ancient promises in their behalf. Lift from their shoulders the burdens of poverty and cause the shackles of darkness to fall from their eyes. May they rise to the glories of the past. May they recognize their Redeemer and be faithful and true Saints of the Most High. May they seek learning out of the best books (see D&C 88:118). May the enlightenment of education bring new and wonderful opportunities into their lives."
Guatemala City Guatemala Temple - DEDICATED 14-16 DECEMBER 1984 - BY GORDON B. HINCKLEY
"Thou Kind and Gracious Father, our hearts swell with gratitude for Thy remembrance of the sons and daughters of Lehi, the many generations of our fathers and mothers who suffered so greatly and who walked for so long in darkness. Thou hast heard their cries and seen their tears. Now there will be opened to them the Gates of Salvation and Eternal Life"

"We thank Thee O God, for lifting the scales of darkness which for generations clouded the vision of the descendants of Lehi."
Laie Hawaii Temple - DEDICATED 27-30 NOVEMBER 1919 - BY HEBER J. GRANT
"We thank Thee that the plates containing the Book of Mormon were preserved so that they could be translated, and that Thy words to the Prophet Joseph Smith might be fulfilled; namely, "That the Lamanites might come to the knowledge of their fathers, and that they might know the promises of the Lord, and that they may believe the gospel and rely upon the merits of Jesus Christ, and be glorified through faith in His name, and that through their repentance they might be saved.

"We thank Thee, that thousands and tens of thousands of the descendants of Lehi, in this favored land, have come to a knowledge of the gospel, many of whom have endured faithfully to the end of their lives. We thank Thee, our Father and our God, that those who are living and who have embraced the gospel are now to have the privilege of entering into this holy house, and laboring for the salvation of the souls of their ancestors."
Rededicated in June 1978 by Spencer W. Kimball:
"And we are duly grateful, our Heavenly Father, that as stated in the Book of Mormon "that the Lamanites might come to the knowledge of their fathers and that they might know the promises of the Lord, and that they may believe the gospel and rely upon the merits of Jesus Christ, and be glorified through faith in His name, and that through their repentance they might be saved." We are deeply grateful, our Heavenly Father, that some half a million or more of the descendants of Lehi now are respected and loved members of this, Thy kingdom."
Lima Peru Temple - DEDICATED 10-12 JANUARY 1986 - BY GORDON B. HINCKLEY
"We are particularly mindful this day of the sons and daughters of Lehi. They have known so much of suffering and sorrow in their many generations. They have walked in darkness and in servitude. Now Thou hast touched them by the light of the everlasting gospel. The shackles of darkness are falling from their eyes as they embrace the truths of Thy great work. Surely father Lehi has wept with sorrow over his posterity. Surely he weeps today with gladness, for in this holy house there will be exercised the fullness of the priesthood to the blessing, not only of those of this and future generations, but also to the blessing of those of previous generations."
Mexico City Mexico Temple - DEDICATED 2-4 DECEMBER 1983 - BY GORDON B. HINCKLEY
"Bless Thy Saints in this great land and those from other lands who will use this Temple. Most have in their veins the blood of Father Lehi. Thou hast kept Thine ancient promise: Many thousands that walked in darkness have seen a great light (Isaiah 9:2). May the harvest that we have witnessed here foreshadow greater things to come as Thy work rolls on in power and majesty in this, The Dispensation of The Fulness of Times."
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How Are The Lamanites Suppossed To Blossom Like A Rose When FARMS Says The Lamanites Dissapeared?
Friday, Mar 10, 2006, at 07:38 AM
Original Author(s): Mormon Inc.
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
Joseph Smith predicted the Lamanites would blossom like the rose in the last days but of course, Joseph thought all brown people in North America were Lamanites.

Now due to new DNA research, there are no Jewish American Indians. What a dilema! The answer: Limited Geography Theory and the Lamanites were absorbed by a larger population.

Ok, so if I see this correctly, the Lamanites eventually dissapeared according to the new FARMS explanation. How can the Lamanites blossom like the rose when there are none?

DNA is a huge problem for the church's creadability. The more they try to make an excuse and defend Jospeh Smith, the dumber they look.
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A Conference Address That Should Come Back To Haunt The LDS Church
Tuesday, Apr 25, 2006, at 06:52 AM
Original Author(s): Skeptical
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
The conference address was given by Elder J. Thomas Fyans, an assistant to the Council of Twelve, published in the May, 1976 Ensign. The talk is entitled: "The Lamanites Must Rise in Majesty and Power."

In the talk, Fyans repeatedly asserts that the native inhabitants of both North and South America are Lamanites and cites to past prophetic statements by LDS prophets of the rise of the Lamanites. In fact, Fyans uses the church's growth in Latin America has evidence of the truthfulness of these "prophetic" statements.

Here are a couple of jewels from the address:

"In a proclamation of the Twelve Apostles of the restored Church in 1845, we are told-speaking of the Lamanites of North and South America-'They will also come to the knowledge of their forefathers, and of the fulness of the gospel; and they will embrace it and become a righteous branch of the house of Israel.' (Proclamation of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, New York, "Prophet" Office, Apr. 6, 1845, p.3)"

Fyans cites prophet after prophet who foretells of the growth of the Lamanites and then tells of the current growth of the church in these areas (among native Americans).

To pound the point home of the inspired nature of the prophets, Fyans states:

"President Kimball, the Lord has blessed your prophetic utterances with fulfillment.

How did he know? Who gave him the power to pierce the future? What dropped the shackles of fear from his tongue?

Prophets are not discerned by intellectual processes. These statements of today have not been presented in proof that President Kimball is a prophet. They are but outward evidences of an inward power-no, not proof for, but a testimony of, divine powers linked with the Source of all eternal truth."

OUCH! I guess that Source of Eternal Truth forget to inform the prophet and Fyans that those native inhabitants they were calling Lamanites, were actually from Asia.

Funny how when prophets are not discerned by intellectual processes, they GET IT WRONG.

http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dl...
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More Stuff On Lamanites
Tuesday, Apr 25, 2006, at 06:55 AM
Original Author(s): Trying2bfree
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
Here's a link to Elder Fayans talk that takes you straight there:

The Lamanites Must Rise in Majesty and Power

Also, in the July 1971 Ensign they had a special Lamanite section that included a talk by Spencer W. Kimball that was given at a special Lamanite Youth Conference. If you're looking for statements by authority in the church, this is it. President Kimball was Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve at the time.

Table of Contents

The Lamanites (Introduction)

Of Royal Blood - Spencer W. Kimball

Lamanites and the Church - M. Dallas Burnett

Hope for the American Indian? - Lawrence E. Cummins

The Vanished American - LeRoi Smith

Awakening Guatamala - Barbara Tietjen Jacobs

All of the articles are interesting, but the beef is the talk by President Kimball. I've also compiled this mess into a complete .pdf Just email me offline if you want a copy of it.
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Correlations Between American Indians And The Bible In The 1800's And Why Early Americans Believed The Joseph Smith Story
Friday, Jun 23, 2006, at 08:50 AM
Original Author(s): Susieq#1
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
I often buy books at garage/yard sales. Several years ago, I bought a book published by Readers Digest for $2.00 about ancient America with lots of great pictures and historical information that I had to lay flat on the bottom shelf of a huge bookcase because it was so large.

I had not paid particular attention to it until my TBM hubby, found it in our bookcase and plopped it down in front of me, with great glee as proof that Joseph Smith was correct, opening it to the section:
"Lost Tribes in the New World."

"Mysteries of the Ancient Americas"
The New World--Before Columbus. Published by Readers Digest 1986

The information related in this book explains many of the reasons why people in Joseph Smith's time would believe wholeheartedly that the American Indians were Hebrews from Israel with Biblical underpinnings in their religions.

"Lost Tribes in the New World" pg. 32-38
The of thrust of this chapter is the lost tribes from the Biblical accounts.

There is also a section on:
Descendants of "White" Indians"
These blue eyed Indians were sometimes called "Welsh Indians," as there were claims that they were conversant in the Welsh tongue.

An author in the late 18th century, James Adair, a trader in Indian territories for at least 40 years said that he heard chants among he Choctaw and Chickasaw and their neighbors that he said was the name Jehovah which he said was the Indian phrase for dead or lost.

Another phrase he said meant "gone to Canaan" and he claimed that the word "kora" was borrowed unchanged from the Hebrew.

This is a fascination book and shows two drawings and the research of Lord Kingsborough (Edward King, Viscount Kingsborough) who, in the 19th century was a young member of Parliament.

He "was convinced that the Indians of Mexico were directly descended from Israel's Ten Lost Tribes. As proof he spent his fortune on reproducing volumes of Aztec codices that, he claimed illustrated biblical events. "
He relied heavily on Adair. He died in 1837 pg. 37

In 1650 one answer to the "Jewish Ancestors" question was published "The Hope of Israel" by Manasseh ben Israel, a rabbi in Amsterdam.

He told of a Spanish Jewish traveler, Antonio de Montezinos whose Indian Guide on one South American trip greeted him with "Shema Israel (Hear, O Israel)" pg 36

This author saw Old Testament customs in practice: ritual calendars, purification rites, circumcision, flood myths, sacrifices to gods, the veneration of a tribal ark.

Now turn to page 40 and imagine my surprise to see a large picture of a painting of Joseph Smith and the angel Moroni delivering the golden plates on a hillside in New York.

Here are a few quotes from the several paragraphs relating to Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon:

"According to Mormon history, these plates told how their ancestors came to America from the "land of Jerusalem."

"No other document, inscription, or legend now known shows a lose correspondence with this account of the peopling of America, but there are tempting inferences that can be drawn from the evidence that does exist."

"It is wishful thinking, then, or the legacy of Spanish political propaganda that keeps alive the belief that the native Americans were eagerly awaiting the coming of he white man in the 16th century - (referring to Quetzalcoatl).

So far as is known, today, the existence of such a thing had never been imagined by the Aztec or Inca."

"We now know that Viking kings preceded Columbus to North America by 500 years."

This is a huge book with over 300 pages and hundreds of beautifully done pictures.

It shows that the combination of the Spaniards and the subsequent peopling of America from Europe with their acceptance of Biblical history as their religious reference point,(and a great reliance on it being historically correct) led many to interpret the languages and drawings of the Indians as having Hebrew - Old Testament correlations.

Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon fell right in line with the thinking of the day. He went along with what he read that was accepted as the prevailing notions of the history of the American Indians.

What he claimed in his stories in the Book of Mormon was plausible. Even the procurement of the claimed original documents by angels, and visions, was religiously acceptable as a representative manifestation of God working in their lives.

Understanding this background shows that it was not hard for Joseph Smith to gain so many followers. Hiring a Hebrew teacher helped also.

It might explain why even Jewish people would go along with Joseph Smith's claims.

Believing Mormons, nearly 170 years later will take anything even remotely resembling an acceptance of a tiny scrap of fact or possible evidence or opinion, and use it to prove Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon is a true, factual book.

I was astounded to find a book published in 1986 with references to the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith. After reading the whole chapter, I understood why it was included.

Correlations between the American Indians and the Bible seems to be more a matter of heavily invested religious beliefs and wishful thinking of the times.

And it worked! Look at the apologists!
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Loss Of Identity - I Guess I'm Not Lamanite
Monday, Dec 11, 2006, at 06:10 AM
Original Author(s): Nathaniel P. Wilkerson
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
I think the biggest shock for me after sorting through all of the historical problems with the church, was more than anything was the realization that I'm not a descendant of Lehi (or Mulek). It's kind of like my special status as a Lamanite was wiped away. When you've grown up your entire life believing and being taught that you are a special people (or cursed people for that matter, dark skin)etc... its kind of a shock to all of a sudden come to different a conclusion.

I've read pretty much every book I can get my hands on, after reading Southerton's book on the DNA research it really made me realize that us native americans are of mongolian descent, not descendants of some tribe of Isreal. Our cultures and languages are so diverse because we have been on this continent for a very long time, somewhere on the order of 10,000 to 15,000 years. Which also proves that there is something wrong with the BoM story, there is no way the number of languages and cultures could have developed over such a short period of time (1000 years, 400AD to 1400AD).

I'm interested to know what others experiences are with regards to this. Have you encountered other native members who are now questioning their "Lamanite" status?

Its funny that this has recently become an issue for me since I've also become more involved in my traditional artwork and I have some members of my extended family who are trying to look for a connection between the myths and legends of the Gitxsan people (and other native tribes) back to the principles, stories and doctrines taught in the BoM. I don't know what to tell them.
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Past BYU Musical Publications That Smack The Face Of The LGT: "Yes, I Am A Lamanite"
Thursday, Jul 19, 2007, at 07:21 AM
Original Author(s): Pp4ds
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
Talk about past BYU publications that SMACK in the face of LGT!!!! Talk about embarrassing, both musically and scholastically!

And talk about shameless raping of the Indians of their identity for the glory of mormon fools.

Album cover(notice the Y mountain in the backgound): https://tantararecords.securesites.co...

Yes, I'm a Lamanite: https://tantararecords.securesites.co...
The Lamanite Generation was a musical variety show featuring talented American Indian, Polynesian, Mexican Americans, and native Latin American students in both traditional and contemporary productions. The word "Lamanite" is used to describe all of the above cultures.
Listen to some of the songs that just SMACK the FARM boys in the LGT rear:

We Are the Lamanite Generation: https://tantararecords.securesites.co...

Yes, I’m a Lamanite: https://tantararecords.securesites.co...

Some of the lyrics:
Yes I am a Lamanite a true blue blooded Lamanite, our fathers came far across the sea, and as you can plainly tell I am a one of a kind - I think that is swell. A rootin, tootin Lamanite that's me!
Anyone have any idea on what year this was produced at BYU?

A more accurate title for today would be "Yes, I am a brown sinful Hebrew"
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Many Natives In The Americas When Lehi And Family Showed Up Also Conflicts With Jospeh Smith's Wentworth Letter
Thursday, Jan 8, 2009, at 08:10 AM
Original Author(s): Freeatlast
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
The new LDS 'truth' (i.e., the latest version of the new LDS 'truth') still doesn't jive with what the 'Prophet of the Restoration' wrote about American Indians in his 1842 letter to John Wentworth. Joseph Smith, 'translator' of the BoM (by using a magical rock in his hat, as described in Mormon Apostle Russell Nelson's article, "A Treasured Testament" in the July 1993 Ensign), wrote the following in his letter to the editor and proprietor of the Chicago Democrat newspaper:

"In this important and interesting book the history of ancient America is unfolded, from its first settlement by a colony that came from the Tower of Babel, at the confusion of languages to the beginning of the fifth century of the Christian era. We are informed by these records that America in ancient times has been inhabited by two distinct races of people. The first were called Jaredites and came directly from the Tower of Babel. The second race came directly from the city of Jerusalem, about six hundred years before Christ. They were principally Israelites, of the descendants of Joseph. The Jaredites were destroyed about the time that the Israelites came from Jerusalem, who succeeded them in the inheritance of the country. The principal nation of the second race fell in battle towards the close of the fourth century. The remnant are the Indians that now inhabit this country."

Ref: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Th...

The LDS Church re-published the Wentworth Letter in the July 2002 issue of the Ensign (under the section, "Gospel Classics"), its official publication.

In every respect, the BoM has been proven to be a work of fiction.
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Alternative Book Of Mormon Theories And McTemple Dedicatory Prayers
Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009, at 07:35 AM
Original Author(s): Alex71va
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
In April 2000 I came across Simon Southerton's story online. I immediately wrote him an email requesting references on the articles/research on DNA studies he claimed had caused him to believe that the Book of Mormon was fiction. I did my own due diligence and sadly confirmed Southerton's findings. One thing that Southerton wrote that I found too astonishing at the time to believe was that the apologists/defenders of the church were abandoning the traditional beliefs about the ancestors of the American Indians being the Lamanites. I did some checking online and sure enough Southerton was correct. Upon discovering this I went to ldschurchnews.com, logged in and did a search for dedicatory prayers. Here's what I found during one hour of searching. How do the apologists explain this?

President Monson traveled to Villahermosa [May 21, 2000] after dedicating the temple in Tampico, Mexico, a day earlier. President Monson seemed touched by the outpouring of love and excitement the local members directed toward him and the other visiting authorities. He commented on the beauty of the Tabasco youngsters, reminding them they are "children of Lehi." (May 27, 2000 LDS Church News, Article about new Villahermosa Mexico temple)

[Text of dedicatory prayer given by President Gordon B Hinckley on April 30, 2000.] “We remember before Thee the sons and daughters of Father Lehi. Wilt Thou keep Thine ancient promises in their behalf. Lift from their shoulders the burdens of poverty and cause the shackles of darkness to fall from their eyes. May they rise to the glories of the past. “ (May 13, 2000 LDS Church News, Article about new Cochabamba Bolivia temple) ?

Excerpt of the dedicatory prayer given by President James E. Faust, second counselor in the First Presidency, March 12, 2000 for the Tuxtla Gutierrez Mexico Temple. "We invoke Thy blessings upon this nation of Mexico where so many of the sons and daughters of Father Lehi dwell. Bless these Thy children.“ (March 18, 2000 LDS Church News, Article about new Tuxtla Gutierrez Mexico Temple)

In an interview with the Church News, President [Gordon B.] Hinckley commented on the appreciation of the Ecuadorian members for the new temple….. He noted that "it has been a very interesting thing to see the descendants of Father Lehi in the congregations that have gathered in the [Guayaquil Ecuador] temple. So very many of these people have the blood of Lehi in their veins and it is just an intriguing thing to see their tremendous response and their tremendous interest.”

[President James E. Faust – 2nd Counselor in the First Presidency in his interview for the Church News] said that the "Latin people have a special quality of softness and graciousness and kindness. They are a great people -- they are sons and daughters of Father Lehi, and they have believing blood. They are a beautiful people, inside and out." (Aug 7, 1999 Church News - Guayaquil Ecuador Temple dedication: 'A wondrous day' for members) ?

Excerpt of the text of the dedicatory prayer of the Colonia Juaréz Chihuahua Temple, given March 6, 1999, by President Gordon B. Hinckley. “May the sons and daughters of father Lehi grow in strength and in fulfillment of the ancient promises made concerning them. “ (Mar 13, 1999 LDS Church News – Colonia Juarez Chihuahua Mexico Temple Dedicatory Prayer)
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Packer And Ballard Meeting In England Saturday 25th
Monday, Apr 27, 2009, at 07:33 AM
Original Author(s): Brit-Insider
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
There was a meeting for Bishops and Stake Presidents yesterday, at Huddersfield in Yorkshire. There were about 80 people in attendance and the event was presided over by five heavyweights from the morg.

Boyd K. Packer
M. Russell Ballard
Claudio Costa
Oaks (possibly Robert? I didn't catch his full name)
Andrew Ford (English member, of 3rd Quorum of the Seventy)

Packer opened proceeding by stating "We come to you today, in our true identities as apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ. I know the Lord and he lives"

To clear the other thread up, there was definitely no talk of the missionaries being withdrawn from the UK or Europe.

Part of the meeting allowed the Bishops and SP's to have a QandA session and the usual pointless questions were thrown up.

"I sent a boundary change request six months ago, why is it always so slow to get an answer back?"

"When I fill in the new carbonated order form to buy toilet cleaner which copy do I keep?"

After a few of these Packer stood up and basically said "You have two Apostles in front of you and THESE are the questions that you want to ask?"

He went on to say that "the letter of the law killeth but the spirit of the law buildeth up. We get too mired in the programmes of the church etc." He cited Monson, who despite being the Prophet is acting like a roving home teacher. Monson is still visiting the widows and also turning up unannounced at his local hospital and offering blessings to anyone that wants them.

There was an incredible answer to one question from Oaks. A bishop asked "Where does the church stand on illegal immigrants, I had one in my ward and I turned her into the authorities". The following is a direct quote from Oaks, there is no misquoting here. Oaks said "Illegal immigrants CAN HAVE a temple recommend and they can answer YES in the TR interview, when they are asked if they are honest in all their dealings! I was waiting for Ballard or Packer to point out his mistake but nothing was said to correct him! So there you have it, Illegal Immigrants can certainly have temple recommends.
,br> (Note: Jeffery R. Holland stated previously, "Clearly we do take and always will take a great sense of responsibility for the safety of our missionaries in any part of the world. ... We're not agents of the immigration service and we don't pretend to be, and we also won't break the law. We didn't bring them here. We quite overtly discourage that." -Jeffrey R. Holland, Member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.")

Ballard claimed that in the Europe area last year, convert baptisms were up by 6%. He then claimed that in the last 6 months, convert baptisms in Europe are up by 21%. There were audible gasps at this figure and lots of mumbling about the recession humbling people and softening their hearts. He didn't give numbers and no one asked, so what the actual number of baptisms was last year, who knows? If these figures are indeed true, then I can only assume that last years figures had dropped off the graph, as I don't hear of any units enjoying anything other than the occasional baptism.

Ballard went onto say that every unit had priesthood holders on its less active records that could be the unit's next HPGL /EQP/YM President etc; so get out there and get these people back to church. He also said that we need to get more YM out on missions (surely the opposite of raising the bar?). He claimed that the % of YM in Europe, choosing to serve missions was very low compared to other parts of the world.

The meeting finished with Packer (I think) telling everyone to go home and tell their wives and kids that we love them and that the GA's love them for the support that they give. He also said that we must always put our families first.

This is all from scribbled notes, I have no recording.
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Book Of Mormon "Author And Proprietor" Joseph Smith Was Clear: The Ancestors Of American Indians Were Book Of Mormon Lamanites
Wednesday, Jul 22, 2009, at 10:56 AM
Original Author(s): Cdnxmo
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
First, relatively few Latter-day Saints know that Joseph Smith had himself identified as the "AUTHOR AND PROPRIETOR" of the first (1830) edition of the BoM (see the digital photo of the title page at http://www.inephi.com/1.htm). 

Interesting that JS didn't tell the printer to indicate (in the type setting) that he was the "TRANSLATOR", a telling oversight that the ever-misleading Mormon Church changed after his death.  Of course, thanks to LDS Apostle Russell Nelson's article in the July 1993 Ensign, "A Treasured Testament" (mentioned in my post yesterday), people know that JS 'translated' the BoM using a rock that he believed had a supernatural power (see former BYU History professor Dr. D. Michael Quinn's masterful "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View" for more info. about the role of 'peep' stones in the life of charismatic charlatan JS).

Second, the Wentworth letter, which outlined the history of Mormonism up to 1842, was written by JS in response to an inquiry by John Wentworth, editor of the Chicago Democrat newspaper.  The letter was first published on March 1, 1842 in the church's "Times and Seasons" in Nauvoo, IL.

In the Wentworth Letter, 'Prophet of the Restoration' JS wrote (emphasis in bold is mine):

"In this important and interesting book the history of ancient America is unfolded, from its first settlement by a colony that came from the Tower of Babel at the confusion of languages to the beginning of the fifth century of the Christian era. We are informed by these records that America in ancient times has been inhabited by two distinct races of people. The first were called Jaredites and came directly from the Tower of Babel. The second race came directly from the city of Jerusalem about six hundred years before Christ. They were principally Israelites of the descendants of Joseph. The Jaredites were destroyed about the time that the Israelites came from Jerusalem, who succeeded them in the inheritance of the country. The principal nation of the second race fell in battle towards the close of the fourth century. The remnant are the Indians that now inhabit this country."

(use the Search function on www.lds.org and "Wentworth Letter" to find it). 

The 'keystone' of Mormonism, the BoM, informs the reader about the names of "the second race" that "fell in battle towards the close of the fourth century" and "The remnant", who were the ancestors of "the Indians that now inhabit this country [the United States]".  Specifically, Mormon 6:

"The Nephites gather to the land of Cumorah for the final battles-Mormon hides the sacred records in the hill Cumorah-The Lamanites are victorious, and the Nephite nation is destroyed-Hundreds of thousands are slain with the sword. [A.D. 385]" (ref. http://scriptures.lds.org/en/morm/6)

It doesn't matter what the chronically dishonest LDS Church now teaches about the BoM and what Mo-pologists, BYU-affiliated or not, say about the book of LDS scripture.  The 'prophet' Joseph Smith was clear about the ancestry of American Indians, as per his 'translation' of the BoM (good thing he had his 'peep' stone and hat, else the BoM might have never come into existence!), as were generations of 'true' Mormon 'prophets' who confidently told Latter-day Saints that Native Americans from the Canadian Arctic to the southern tip of Chile were the "sons and daughters of Lehi." 

For those who aren't aware of the fact (Mormon lurkers, perhaps), Native American DNA research has been the largest nail in the coffin of LDS 'truth' that the 'keystone' of Mormonism, the BoM, is historical (i.e., 'true').  There has never been any scientific evidence supporting what JS taught and wrote in the Wentworth Letter or what generations of Mormon 'prophets' have said about the BoM.  Also, there is a large and increasing amount of scientific evidence in addition to the DNA research that proves the fictional nature of the BoM.

Pres. Benson told Latter-day Saints in the Oct./86 Gen. Conference: "Finally, the Book of Mormon is the keystone of testimony. Just as the arch crumbles if the keystone is removed, so does all the Church stand or fall with the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon."

What we've witnessed in the past generation has been the collapse of 'testimony' of hundreds of thousands of Latter-day Saints in the LDS Church and religion, and the ongoing fall of the Mormon Church, substantially because the BoM is demonstrably a work of fiction that to this day is marketed by the dysfunctional and manipulative LDS Church as 'true'.

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Indian And Negro Slavery In Utah - Venus' Plight
Wednesday, Aug 5, 2009, at 08:07 AM
Original Author(s): Confused
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/curse...

For many years a slave trade in Indian children, especially from the poor Shoshonean tribes, had flourished along the Spanish Trail. Since Mormons regarded Indians as "Lamanites" of the Book of Mormon who were cursed with dark skin but were destined to be redeemed, they were sympathetic to their cause. Brigham Young advised the Saints to "buy up the Lamanite children as fast as they could, and educate them and teach them the gospel, so that not many generations would pass ere they would become a white and delightsome people." On March 7, 1852, the legislative assembly of the Utah territory had passed an act legalizing Indian slavery. Ironically, as a result of this act, Mormons themselves indentured Indian children (An Intimate Chronicle; The Journals of William Clayton, edited by George D. Smith, Signature Books, 1995, Introduction, p. xlvii).

Venus, freed slave of early Mormon pioneer Elizabeth Redd, was originally given to Elizabeth as a wedding present. She came with the Redd's to Utah Territory in 1850. She was a midwife and lived in Spanish Fork where she faithfully attended the LDS Church. However, she was never allowed to attend the temple. Kate Carter relates:

Some of the Spanish Fork people remember Venus as being tall, very polite and quiet and always immaculate in her dress. She had a great desire to go to the temple, and when she found that the temple was closed to Negroes, she scratched her arm until it bled and said: "See, my blood is as white as anyone's" (The Negro Pioneer, p. 523).

Armand Mauss explained the LDS reason for making slavery legal:

Some policies were guided less by diplomatic or pragmatic considerations than by the Mormon understanding of their divinely bestowed responsibilities for the spiritual welfare of the Indians as Lamanites. One of the great ironies resulting from this understanding was the territorial legislature's 1852 act permitting slavery in the Utah Territory. This act was partly designed to permit Mormon converts from the Old South to bring with them their black slaves, few though these were. An even stronger motivation for the act, however, was to permit Mormon families to buy Indian children who had already been enslaved by a long-standing slave trade between various Indian tribes and with Mexican slavers. (All Abraham's Children, p. 60)

The 1852 Utah Legislative Act regarding slavery read, in part:

AN ACT IN RELATION TO SERVICE.

Sec. 1. Be it enacted by the Governor and Legislative Assembly of the Territory of Utah, That any person or persons coming to this Territory and bringing with them servants justly bound to them, arising from special contract or otherwise, said person or persons shall be entitled to such service or labor by the laws of this Territory provided, That he shall file in the office of the Probate Court, written and satisfactory evidence that such service or labor is due. . . .

Sec. 4. That if any master or mistress shall have sexual or carnal intercourse with his or her servant or servants of the African race, he or she shall forfeit all claim to said servant or servants to the commonwealth; and if any white person shall be guilty of sexual intercourse with any of the African race, they shall be subject, on conviction thereof to a fine of not exceeding one thousand dollars, nor less than five hundred, to the use of the Territory, and imprisonment, not exceeding three years. . . .

Sec. 7. That servants may be transferred from one master or mistress to another by the consent and approbation of the Probate Court, who shall keep a record of the same in his office (Acts, Resolutions, and Memorials, passed by the First Annual, and Special Sessions, of the Legislative Assembly, of the Territory of Utah, Begun and Held at Great Salt Lake City, on the 22nd Day of September, A.D., 1851 . . . pp. 80-81, published by Authority of the Legislative Assembly, 1852).

In 1851 the following appeared in the LDS Church's publication, Millennial Star:

We feel it to be our duty to define our position in relation to Slavery. There are several men in the Valley of the Salt Lake from the Southern States, who have their slaves with them ("Slavery Among the Saints," Millennial Star, Liverpool, England, Feb. 15, 1851, p. 63).

In 1859 Horace Greeley, editor of the New York Tribune, interviewed Brigham Young on the subject of slavery:

H.G. - What is the position of your Church with respect to Slavery?

B.Y. - We consider it of Divine institution, and not to be abolished until the curse pronounced on Ham shall have been removed from his descendants.

H.G. - Are there any slaves now held in this Territory?

B.Y. - There are.

H.G. - Do your Territorial laws uphold Slavery?

B.Y. - Those laws are printed - you can read them for yourself. If slaves are brought here by those who owned them in the States, we do not favor their escape from the service of those owners.

H.G. - Am I to infer that Utah, if admitted as a member of the Federal Union, will be a Slave State?

B.Y. - No; she will be a Free State. Slavery here would prove useless and unprofitable. I regard it generally as a curse to the masters. I myself hire many laborers and pay them fair wages; I could not afford to own them. I can do better than subject myself to an obligation to feed and clothe their families, to provide and care for them, in sickness and health. Utah is not adapted to Slave Labor. (Brigham Young Interview by Horace Greeley, Salt Lake City, Utah, July 13, 1859, reprinted in the Salt Lake Tribune, Aug. 15, 1993)

Abraham Lincoln was elected President of the United States in November of 1860 but before his inauguration in March 1861, seven southern states had withdrawn and established the "Confederate States of America." The Civil War commenced in 1861 with the firing on Fort Sumter, South Carolina, by the Confederate States. On September 22, 1862, President Lincoln issued his famous Emancipation Proclamation, announcing the end of slavery. This would become effective on January 1, 1863. Although the Emancipation Proclamation did not actually end slavery in America, it was the forerunner to the passage of the 13th Amendment to the Constitution on December 18, 1865.

During the height of the Civil War Brigham Young was teaching that slavery was a "divine Institution" and that the Civil War would not free the slaves. Preaching in October of 1863, nine months after the official signing of the Emancipation Proclamation, Young declared:

Ham will continue to be the servant of servants, as the Lord decreed, until the curse is removed. Will the present struggle free the slave? No; but they are now wasting away the black race by thousands? Treat the slaves kindly and let them live, for Ham must be the servant of servants until the curse is removed. Can you destroy the decrees of the Almighty? You cannot. Yet our Christian brethren think that they are going to overthrow the sentence of the Almighty upon the seed of Ham. They cannot do that, though they may kill them by thousands and tens of thousands
(Millennial Star, vol. 25, p. 787; also published in the Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 250).
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I Taught That That American Indians Were Lamanites - As Directed By The Church
Thursday, Sep 17, 2009, at 07:48 AM
Original Author(s): Stray Mutt
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
On my mission in Canada, I was assigned to a specialized subset of missionaries dedicated to converting Lamanites. The lessons boldly declared they were direct descendants of the people in the BoM, that the BoM was their true history, that they were direct heirs to the promises and covenants made with Lehi. (We didn't tell them about the part where they're cursed with skins of darkness and that they're wicked and slothful baby eaters.)

Every year, the Lamanite Generation, made up of North, Central and South American Indians, along with Polynesians, came on tour. We were to hype it with more proclamations about the BoM, ancient ancestors and all that.

We were given movie and film strip versions of "Ancient America Speaks" which claimed to show evidence that pre-Columbian inhabitants of the Americas were BoM people.

But over the years, as the brethren realized the evidence didn't actually support the grand old Indigenous Americas = Lamanites belief, they stopped talking about it. They disbanded the special Lamanite units, recalled the specialized teaching materials, changed the name of the Lamanite Generation, axed the Lamanite Placement Program, quit preaching about Indian skin turning fair as they embraced the gospel, changed "white and delightsome" to "pure and delightsome" and left it all for their surrogates to handle with "unofficial" pronouncements the brethren could disavow if needed.
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I Have Only A Cursory Understanding Of The Church's Defenses Against DNA
Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009, at 07:44 AM
Original Author(s): Geny
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
From what I understand about genetics and DNA I don't understand how the Church has any defense in using the genetic drift/founder effect excuse since both (from what I understand) have an effect on the alleles in the NUCLEAR DNA which is subject to recombination with the exception of the Y chromosome where only 5% of it is involved in recombination.

Following the Nat Geo Genographic Project, the methods used to determine kinship are mitochondrial DNA (female lineage) and Y-DNA (male lineage). Both of these methods were developed specifically with recombination in mind, since mtDNA and Y-DNA doesn't undergo recombination and are passed down from generation to generation unchanged except for a mutation here and there (haplogroups).

Am I missing something? I don't see how allele frequency changes, e.g. genetic drift/founder effect have any bearing on mtDNA and Y-DNA since they don't undergo recombination and especially since mtDNA isn't part of our genome. The Genographic Project is pretty amazing if you believe its premise. In the documentary it showed Wells visiting a man in central Asia who's great-great-great---40,000 year ago ancestor had a single mutation that gave rise to a haplogroup of which all us males possess (except the older African lineages, I think).

If the Jaredites and the Lehites, whom we can safely assume were of middle east descent, landed in the New World amongst a thriving Native population and intermixed with them then their middle east mtDNA and Y-DNA haplogroup signatures should've been passed on through the generations to any surviving "Lamanites" today. If there were surviving ancestors to any of the Lehite party (Lamanites we were told were the ancestors of the Amerinds)then there should be some Amerind people somewhere who harbor these middle east haplogroups. right? All studies to date show haplogroups in the Amerinds most closely related to eastern Siberian peoples.

I think mopologists try to muddy the waters by bringing up fancy terms like genetic drift and founder effect when, to my knowledge, it has no credence when using mtDNA and Y-DNA to study ancient ancestry.

IMO the church is backing itself into a corner. Joseph Smith, BofM, D&C, and many a prophet since up to Hinckley have all tagged any Amerind and South Pacific Islander as a Lamanite. Lamanites were the 'principle' ancestors now they are just 'among' the Amerinds...well, where are they? This was alluded to in another thread; the BofM was written for the Lamanites in the latter-days so they could blossom as a rose. Well if the Lamanites are heretofore unidentified then is the BofM a failure in not being able to reach these Lamanites, wherever they may be?
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Mormon Mall Photos And Lamanite Sightings
Thursday, Nov 12, 2009, at 07:35 AM
Original Author(s): Cricket
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
The link below has five new photos I took of the City Creek Mall construction on 11/04/2009.

While in the area I cruised thru the COB, Joseph Smith Building and the new Church History Library (more photos of that to come).

I pretended to be a tourist who was in Utah for the first time and had heard of Lamanites and wanted to see one.

In the Jos Smith Building two name tagged volunteers pointed me to a small statue of an Indian on a horse next to a Mormon pioneer. "There is one there."

On the way to the observation deck atop the Church Office Building the volunteer told me she and her husband had been on two missions to the Lamanites in Arizona. She also pointed out an oil painting on display showing Lamanites helping the Mormon pioneers dig irrigation canals in the Salt Lake Valley.

So there, FAIR and FARMS, you can't get more official than official volunteer guides spewing forth the official doctrine on who the Lamanties really are!

http://www.salamandersociety.com/mall...
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Origins Of The Mesoamerican People: Indiana University Bloomington And John Clark
Friday, Nov 13, 2009, at 08:06 AM
Original Author(s): Jw The Inquizzinator
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
These are snippets of a handout for one of the modules taught in a MesoAmerican Archaeology class. Found at http://www.indiana.edu/~arch/saa/matr...

"Here are four theories about the origins of Native Americans. Please cite evidence that leads you to accept or reject each of these theories....

1. Native Americans evolved from New World primates, on the North or South American continents.

Parallel evolution of humans in the New and Old Worlds is highly unlikely. Moreover, DNA evidence makes it clear that New World humans are more closely related to Old World primates such as chimpanzees and gorillas than they are to New World monkeys. Moreover, no skeletal remains from proto-hominids like Australopithecus or Homo Erectus have ever been found in the New World.

2. Native Americans came to the New World from Asia, via the Bering Strait land bridge.

Asian origins for New World people are likely because Asians and Native Americans share many physical traits. These include dark eyes, high cheekbones, dark straight hair that rarely turns grey, scanty facial and body hair, the absence of balding, high frequencies of epicanthic eyefolds, shovel-shaped incisors, and the Mongolian spot in infants, and high frequencies of the M blood-group and the Diego blood group.

When did the Bering land bridge exist? During glacial maxima when snow fall no longer melted and ran back into the sea, resulting in sea levels 100-300 feet below current sea levels, most recently between 30,000 and 10,000 years ago. This is consistent with the earliest human occupation of the New World at Monte Verde, Chile, which dates to 15,000 years ago. However, we would expect that still earlier sites would lie further north, closer to the Bering Strait point of entry. Why have these sites not been found? One possibility, they are too small and few in number–finding such an early human occupation site is like looking for a needle in a hay stack. Another possibility, humans used boats to hop along the Pacific Coast from Siberia to Alaska and points further south, in which case movement south would have been more rapid, and all the earliest sites would be coastal sites, now submerged under 100-300 feet of water.

3. Native Americans came to the New World from Asia, in boats, across the Pacific Ocean.

We know that humans had developed sea worthy canoes by at least by 40,000 BCE because Australia was first occupied at 40,000 BCE, and reaching Australia required humans to cross miles of open ocean separating New Guinea and Australia from Southeast Asia.

However, it is unlikely that people would have journeyed to the New World from Asia without occupying the Pacific Islands along the way. And none of the Pacific Islands have yielded human occupations earlier than about 4,000 BCE, too late to be the ancestors of the people who reached Monte Verde, Chile, 15,000 BCE.

4. Native Americans are descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.

This is unlikely because Native Americans show few physical/genetic similarities Semetic-speaking populations in the Near East. It is also unlikely because the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel were exiled in 719 BCE, too late to be the ancestors of the people who reached Monte Verde, Chile, 15,000 BCE."

I checked the date of this course, looks like 2004. So I wondered what was going on in BYU in 2004 at found:

"Archaeology provides proof for Book of Mormon"

" BYU Anthropology Professor John Clark revealed ways archaeology could help prove the credibility of the Book of Mormon at Tuesday's Forum.

In his speech, "Archaeology, Relics and Book of Mormon Belief," Clark presented key evidences he discovered in his years of research.

"Charges against the Book of Mormon are serious and require a response," Clark said. "Therefore, archaeology steps in as the only scientific means of authenticity."

By recognizing anti-Mormon views of the Book of Mormon, not only the LDS perspective, archaeology can help disprove many uncertainties, Clark said.

Clark summed up LDS view of archaeology: If the claims made by the Book of Mormon are confirmed through archaeology, then the claims are true, the Book of Mormon is true, Joseph Smith was a true prophet and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true.

Many artifacts and evidence of the Book of Mormon have been found in geographical and archaeological findings. These same artifacts and incidents described in the Book of Mormon line-up correctly in ancient history, he said.

"Practices, instruments of war and history in the Book of Mormon are in accordance with Mesoamerican ways," Clark said.

Metal plates in stone boxes, ancient writings, warfare, cities, cement, kings and monuments, metaphors, time-keeping, old-world geography, new-world geography, cycles of civilization and demographics are all evidences found in the Book of Mormon that are verified in Mesoamerican culture.

Even though Clark endorsed the study of archaeology to prove certain facts of the Book of Mormon as true, he emphasized to students and faculty the importance of relying on Christ and faith to develop a testimony.

"Although the Book of Mormon does not provide clear directions for reaching Zarahemla its instructions for coming to Christ are unsurpassed," Clark said. "And this is the infinitely more important destination."

Benjamin Boster, a junior from Adrian, Ore., majoring in arts respected Clark's take on the subject.

"I like how he said there are certain things that show evidence of the Book of Mormon but it's not necessarily what we base our testimony on, it just adds to the truth," Boster said. "I like that [Clark] took a safe stand on that."

Clark closed his speech with supporting words from President Gordon B. Hinckley.

"The evidence for the Book of Mormon's truth lies not in archaeology or anthropology...the evidence for its truth and validity lies within the covers of the book itself," President Hinckley said..."

http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/5053...

So then I just had to go to the BYU catalog and see if MesoAmerican Archaeology was offered. And sure enough it is.. http://saas.byu.edu/catalog/2008-2009...

I then checked the faculty and yep, John Clark is right there.

I then checked his CV at https://facultyprofile.byu.edu/Public...

I searched all 26 pages of it and found no mention of the lamanites, chariots, horses, steel, etc.

I did find that Clark allegedly published a paper entitled "Joseph Smith, Archaeology, and the Book of Mormon" which was presented at the symposium, “The Worlds of Joseph Smith.” National Library of Congress, Washington D.C., May 6. [I searched the LOC site but couldn't find it}. I'd really like to read that...I was probably looking in the wrong section (non-fiction vs fiction).

Sorry for the ramble, just how my brain works.

How does a guy like Clark look at himself in the mirror??
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Speaking Of The Lamanites - Here Is The Current Explanation For The "Curse"
Tuesday, Jul 20, 2010, at 08:44 AM
Original Author(s): Jw The Inquizzinator
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
This is out of the current Institure Manual (A college course on some campuses), which can be found at:

http://institute.lds.org/content/lang...

Page 62:
"2 Nephi 5:20-25. The Lamanites Were Cursed.

Versus 20-25 in 2 Nephi 5 answer at least four questions about the curse that came to the Lamanites:

1. What was the curse?

The curse is clearly defined in verse 20 as being "cut off from the presence of the Lord."

2. What caused the curse?

According to verse 21, the cause of the curse came "because of their iniquity" and "hardened . . . hearts." Since the days of Adam's Fall, wickedness has resulted in being cut off from the presence of the Lord (see 1 Nephi 2:21; 2 Nephi 4:4; 9:6; Alma 9:13; Ether 10:11).

3. What was the mark or sign set upon the Lamanites?

It is also explained in verse 21 that so "they might not be enticing unto my people [the Nephites] the Lord did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them [the Lamanites]." It would appear that this was done to limit the spreading of more wickedness. Later Alma suggested this same motive when he explained that "the skins of the Lamanites were dark . . . that thereby the Lord God might preserve his people, that they might not mix and believe in incorrect traditions" (Alma 3:6, 8). Throughout scripture we find warnings of the Lord not to marry unbelievers (see Deuteronomy 7:2-3; 2 Corinthians 6:14); the result of doing so was often that the righteous were turned away from the Lord (see Deuteronomy 7:4; 1 Kings 11:4; D&C 74:5). Some people have mistakenly thought that the dark skin placed upon the Lamanites was the curse. President Joseph Fielding Smith (1876-1972) explained that the dark skin was not the curse: "The dark skin was placed upon the Lamanites so that they could be distinguished from the Nephites and to keep the two peoples from mixing. The dark skin was the sign of the curse [not the curse itself ]. The curse was the withdrawal of the Spirit of the Lord. . . . "The dark skin of those who have come into the Church is no longer to be considered a sign of the curse. . . . These converts are delightsome and have the Spirit of the Lord" (Answers to Gospel Questions, comp. Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., 5 vols. [1957-66], 3:122-23)....."
Yea, we wouldn't want any of that 'mixin'" going on....gotta keep the race pure you know.

From the Book Of Mormon - Alma 6: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/3/6...
And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.
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Damage From The Cult
Wednesday, Jan 5, 2011, at 07:50 AM
Original Author(s): Michaelm
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
What must be given up by non-indigenous apologists of the LDS church when speculation of who are the Lamanites is made? Absolutely nothing. Nothing is lost. And they might think they are helping build the faith of others.

Now, what is lost by an enrolled tribal member of an American Indian people, an individual who has deep seated faith in the LDS Gospel? Even more, this individual identifies themselves with the Church in a way that the apologist cannot. What is such a person being told to give up? Their identity based on their religion. The white apologist is not required to give that up. An American Indian is.

Through one side of the apologist's mouth they say that all can legitimately be called Lamanites, while at the same time through the other side of the mouth they say that the term was a "vernacular of the time."

Apologists, as well as the Quorum of the Twelve and the First Presidency do not have a clue what this does to real, living breathing human beings. They will never understand the harm they have caused to the religious faith of individuals belonging to the population of America's indigenous people.

The LDS brought this religion to those American Indians who became members. Now they harm faith with no regard for the individual. The apologists are engaged in an effort to save the "bundle of lies". The casulties in this are the very people that the LDS once said the Book of Mormon was about.
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Squish The Mopologist: Zelph Story Is Bad For Mopologists In 2 Ways
Monday, Mar 7, 2011, at 07:27 AM
Original Author(s): Beavis Christ
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
Squish the Mopologist: Zelph story is bad for mopologists in 2 ways

I'm going to start occasionally doing a series of posts called "Squish the Mopologist" that takes on a serious Mormon history issue and examines the silly and apostate mopologist analyses of it. First up: Zelph, the famous White Lamanite.

Mopologists and their "limited geography" theory of the stories of the BOM taking place in Central America have one significant problem with their theory: Joseph Smith did not believe in it. The best proof of this is in the story of Zelph, a "white Lamanite" discovered in Pike County, Illinois by Smith and his Zion's Camp army on the way to Missouri in 1834.

The following is quote from the official History of the Church, a document based upon several journal accounts of men present but written up by Willard Richards to be in the words of Smith:
"During our travels we visited several of the mounds which had been thrown up by the ancient inhabitants of this country - Nephites, Lamanites, etc., and this morning I went up on a high mound near the river, accompanied by the brethren. From this mound we could overlook the tops of the trees and view the prairie on each side of the river as far as our vision could extend, and the scenery was truly delightful.

"On the top of the mound were stones which presented the appearance of three altars having been erected one above the other, according to the ancient order; and the remains of bones were strewn over the surface of the ground. The brethren procured a shovel and a hoe, and removing the earth to the depth of about one foot, discovered the skeleton of a man almost entire and between his ribs the stone point of a Lamanitish arrow, which evidently produced his death. Elder Burr Riggs retained the arrow. The scenery around us produced peculiar sensations in our bosoms; and subsequently the visions of the past being opened to my understanding by the Spirit of the Almighty, I discovered that the person whose skeleton was before us was a white Lamanite, a large, thickset man, and a man of God. His name was Zelph. He was a warrior and a chieftain under the great prophet Onandagus, who was known from the Hill Cumorah, or eastern sea, to the Rocky Mountains. The curse was taken from Zelph, or at least, in part--one of histhigh bones was broken by a stone thrown from a sling, while in battle, years before his death. He was killed in battle by the arrow found among his ribs, during the last great struggle of the Lamanites and Nephites." (Documentary History of the Church, Vol. 2, page, 79-80).
Besides the fact that this story demonstrates Smith believed Lamanites and Nephites were active in the state of Illinois, it also presents some evidence that when he made up names of individuals from the Book of Mormon, he was using places in the Great Lakes area that had Indian names.

The general Zelph supposedly served was named Onandagus.

Trouble is, there is a county in New York named Onondaga. Considering that Mopologists want to claim that three letters NHM represent a Book of Mormon site in the Old World, how can they possibly be unconcerned about the fact that Onandagus is astonishingly similar to Onondaga?

Mopologists try to explain away the Zelph story by casting doubt on the provenance of the History of the Church (wow talk about apostate behavior!) and then focusing obsessively on the word "Lamanite." Here's a quote from the FAIR wiki about Zelph:
Expressions such as "great struggles among the Lamanites," if accurately reported, could refer to a period long after the close of the Book of Mormon narrative, as well as to the fourth century AD. None of the sources before the Willard Richards composition, however, actually say that Zelph died in battle with the Nephites, only that he died "in battle" when the otherwise unidentified people of Onandagus were engaged in great wars "among the Lamanites."

Zelph was identified as a "Lamanite," a label agreed on by all the accounts. This term might refer to the ethnic and cultural category spoken of in the Book of Mormon as actors in the destruction of the Nephites, or it might refer more generally to a descendant of the earlier Lamanites and could have been considered in 1834 as the equivalent of "Indian" (see, for example, D&C 3:18, 20; 10:48; 28:8; 32:2). Nothing in the accounts can settle the question of Zelph's specific ethnic identity.
As is often the case, though, FAIR has created a strawman, this time with their obsession with "Lamanite."

Smith himself did not use that word exclusively in discussing Zelph and he appears to have told his men other stories. How do we know this? Besides the fact that Nephites are mentioned in original source journal entries, we have Smith's own words in a letter he wrote to his first wife, Emma.

He stated that he and his men had been "wandering over the plains of the Nephites, recounting occasionally the history of the Book of Mormon, roving over the mounds of that once beloved people of the Lord, picking up their skulls & their bones, as proof of its divine authenticity."

After falsely dismissing the Zelph account, the apostate mopologists then give full credit to statements made by Smith "that included Central America and its inhabitants as also being relevant to Book of Mormon geography and peoples."

While it's true that Smith did, indeed, mention Central America in connection with the BOM, this conflicts in no way with the Zelph account since he, like basically all early Mormons (and most present-day ones excepting the apostate revisionist mopologists), believed that Nephites and Lamanites were active throughout the entire Western Hemisphere.

Sorry, mopologists, once again your attempts to lie about and attenuate Mormon history have failed once again. At this point, it's worth recalling the words of the Mormon prophet Wilford Woodruff, who would have been astonished and offended at your theories of men:

"If He [God] wants the geography of the Book of Mormon revealed, He will do so through His prophet, and not through some writer who wishes to enlighten the world despite his utter lack of inspiration on the point." (Journal of Discourses, 5:83)

You should quit now rather than risk your eternal souls trying to preach false doctrine to your brothers and sisters of the church!
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My "Lamanite" Experience
Tuesday, Jul 5, 2011, at 08:27 AM
Original Author(s): Ex-Lamanite
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
I joined the church as a teenager during the early 1980s. I'm enrolled in a small tribe that was not affected by the Indian Placement Program of the church; however, I was certainly affected by the doctrines related to a supposed 'Lamanite' identity.

When I first joined the church, ward members treated me as though I belonged to a special class. A few people even went out of their way to testify, with tears in their eyes, that my baptism fulfilled Book of Mormon prophecies that foretold the Lamanites would "blossom as the rose." I was a very lonely and socially awkward boy, so all the positive attention nourished my fragile self-esteem.

My father was not so easily convinced. He respected my right to make my own religious path, but he was perplexed by my choice of Mormonism. One day, he asked me to explain the Book of Mormon. Anxious for a golden missionary opportunity, I related the whole story of Lehi, Nephi, Laman, and Lemuel. I said, "The Book of Mormon is the true history of our ancestors. As Indians we are part of the chosen people."

He listened patiently to the whole story, but in the end, he looked me square in the eye and said, "That's bull----."

As you might imagine, I was hurt and a little embarrassed that my dad rejected my testimony so easily. I pushed back, but my father would not be moved. He said, "If Indians are the chosen people, why is your church run by white people in suits?"

I mentioned George P. Lee, but he was unimpressed. "So they got one Indian out of how many white people? Big deal. One Indian doesn't change the fact that this is a white man's church."

My father continued, "If the Book of Mormon is the Indians' true religion, why doesn't it talk about our ceremonies and respect for the earth, or the animals and the old creation stories? When I read that book, I don't see anything from the people. There's nothing Indian about it."

At the time, I was hurt by his rejection of the church, but now I respect his honesty. He saw through the illusion and called the truth as he understood it.

Of course, I had a 'testimony,' so I continued down the Mormon path without my parents. I served a mission, married in the temple, and began to raise my children in the church.

But in time, my father's reasoning would catch up to me. I began to read the Book of Mormon with more critical eyes. It began bother me that my 'true' ancestors were regarded as 'filthy and loathesome.' As much as I disagreed with my father about religion, I knew that my elders were not filthy. They were some of the most generous and loving people I ever knew.

It also began to bother me that the Book of Mormon glorified people like Christopher Columbus and seemed to justify the invasion of America by the white people. I knew firsthand the evils committed against the Indian nations. Why would God give his blessing to the destruction of my own people? We were not the savages portrayed in the Book of Mormon or in American media.

In short, I began to believe that the Book Mormon was written by white people to justify the domination of white values.
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Mormon Church Relations With Native People
Monday, Aug 1, 2011, at 07:45 AM
Original Author(s): Anonymous
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
The Bible names a special group of people that God favors. From Adam and Eve's descendants to Noah and the flood, from all the descendants of Noah's sons, God chose Abraham.

Abraham's blessings were continued with his descendants. From Abraham to his son Isaac, to Jacob whose name became Israel, to the twelve sons of Jacob, one of them named Judah, another named Joseph, to Joseph's two sons named Ephraim and Manasseh.

Gentiles were not from these special families of Abraham, but most Christians believe that everyone was from Adam and Eve. Christianity extends Abraham's blessings to gentiles when they accept Jesus. The Biblical Paul was the apostle to the gentiles. Family lines were made less important because through Jesus all were made part of the family.

Mormons took a unique and different direction on all of this. They claim that the Bible is the stick of Judah, being the record of the Jews, and the Book of Mormon is the stick of Joseph, being a record of Manasseh.

Mormons have patriarchal blessings given, just as in the Bible. They tell if a person is from Abraham, usually through Ephraim or Manasseh. Most blessings identify the person as a literal descendant, not just a gentile that is adopted into Abraham's family through Christ.

The birthright went to Ephraim even though Manasseh was the first born. Mormonism believes that the descendants of people from the Book of Mormon are from Manasseh. They also believe that the non-Indians who join their church are from Ephraim.

Their doctrine places whites above the American Indian in the eyes of the Mormon God, using the Abrahmic covenant from the Bible with the claim that the Book of Mormon is a history.

In 2007 the LDS Church changed their position on America's indigenous people. It used to be that all in the Americas were from the Book of Mormon stories. Now there were other ancestors too, not from Abraham. This change was made because the science of DNA studies showed that all indigenous people came through Asia, more than 10,000 years ago.

Mormon scholars and apologists now say that the Book of Mormon people were a much smaller group that migrated into America and mixed with the descendants of these paleolithic hunters. The claim now is that because of mixing, the DNA markers are too diluted to be seen with science.

Mormons used to explain agriculture and Meso-American pyramids with the Book of Mormon people having come from the cradle of civilization. Joseph had been a ruler in Egypt. It was easy to explain pyramids in America. Now science has found independent development of agriculture in America, with no influence from the ancient fertile crescent. Everything in the Americas before Columbus was done from a people not from the Bible at all.

Unlike Christianity, which claims all people are from Adam and Eve, this change in Mormonism brings people not from Adam into their beliefs. Paleolithic hunters were before Adam and Eve, but LDS apologists have no problem using them to explain the lack of DNA from the middle east.

White LDS are superior, being through Ephraim. Manasseh is not only subordinate from the loss of the birthright, indigenous peoples' DNA from Israel is invisible because "other" ancestors were not even from Adam and Eve.

Ever known any non-indigenous TBM to question if he or she is a literal descendent through Ephraim? To doubt their patriarchal blessing? It is curious how the apologists have no problem casting doubt on America's indigenous people and the apostles and prophet sit back in silence.

The 1978 United Nations Declaration on Race and Racial Prejudice - "Any theory which involves the claim that racial or ethnic groups are inherently superior or inferior...that some would be entitled to dominate...has no scientific foundation and is contrary to the moral and ethical principles of humanity".
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LDS Leaders Created Derogatory Opinions Of American Indians In The Minds Of Polynesians
Thursday, Sep 15, 2011, at 09:19 AM
Original Author(s): Tapir Rider
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
The Book of Mormon claims that people left the BofM lands about 50 years before the birth of Christ. In 1911 the LDS First Presidency told the Maori people of New Zealand that they are from those BofM people of Hagoth, and that they are "more blessed" than the American Indian. Why were they more highly favored? Because their ancestors were more "worthy" and left before the wicked people took over. In 1911 the First Presidency even stated that the American Indian was still in a fallen and degraded state. In 1981 the LDS Church reprinted this derogatory idea in the New Era magazine.

From the Book of Mormon

Alma 63

5 And it came to pass that Hagoth, he being an exceedingly curious man, therefore he went forth and built him an exceedingly large ship, on the borders of the land Bountiful, by the land Desolation, and launched it forth into the west sea, by the narrow neck which led into the land northward.

6 And behold, there were many of the Nephites who did enter therein and did sail forth with much provisions, and also many women and children; and they took their course northward. And thus ended the thirty and seventh year.

7 And in the thirty and eighth year, this man built other ships. And the first ship did also return, and many more people did enter into it; and they also took much provisions, and set out again to the land northward.

8 And it came to pass that they were never heard of more. And we suppose that they were drowned in the depths of the sea. And it came to pass that one other ship also did sail forth; and whither she did go we know not.

This is what Joseph F. Smith, Anthon H. Lund, and John Henry Smith said in 1911, reprinted in The New Era, June 1981

http://lds.org/new-era/1981/06/maori-traditions-and-the-mormon-church?lang=eng
“The Lord … directed their course away from this continent [America] to their [the Polynesian ancestors’] island homes, that they might not be left to be preyed upon and destroyed by the more wicked part of the House of Israel whose descendants still roam upon this continent in a fallen and degraded state. … This is the secret of the overruling hand of providence which has been over you all from that time until you received the gospel through the preaching of the elders, and until the present time. …

“And we repeat, the reason that few of the islands of the sea have been more highly favored and blessed in the Lord than those of your brethren of this continent is because of the worthiness of your forefathers who were led away and separated from their brethren of this continent, and because of the blessing of the Lord which has attended you, their children, from that time to the present.”
The Mormon Church presents an image that they are not racist. They insist that the priesthood restriction on Blacks is old news, simply an issue from the past that is only brought up by anti-Mormons. They pretend that now that all worthy male members can hold the priesthood, there is no more grounds for accusation. But the racism continues with the LDS maintaining that one group of indigenous people are more highly favored over another. The only way Mormonism can shed this inherent racism against indigenous people is to discard the Book of Mormon.

Here is a brief review of international declarations of the United Nations.

Declaration on Race and Racial Prejudice, November 27, 1978 http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=13161&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

Article 2 1. Any theory which involves the claim that racial or ethnic groups are inherently superior or inferior, thus implying that some would be entitled to dominate or eliminate others, presumed to be inferior, or which bases value judgments on racial differentiation, has no scientific foundation and is contrary to the moral and ethical principles of humanity.

Less than 5 years after the UN Declaration, the New Era repeated a value judgment with no scientific foundation and contrary to the moral and ethical principles of humanity.

“The Lord … directed their course away from this continent [America] to their [the Polynesian ancestors’] island homes, that they might not be left to be preyed upon and destroyed by the more wicked part of the House of Israel whose descendants still roam upon this continent in a fallen and degraded state. … This is the secret of the overruling hand of providence which has been over you all from that time until you received the gospel through the preaching of the elders, and until the present time."

“And we repeat, the reason that few of the islands of the sea have been more highly favored and blessed in the Lord than those of your brethren of this continent is because of the worthiness of your forefathers who were led away and separated from their brethren of this continent, and because of the blessing of the Lord which has attended you, their children, from that time to the present.”

In the same year that the LDS Church announced that it would change the introduction to the Book of Mormon, the United Nations adopted the declaration on rights of indigenous peoples.

United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, September 13, 2007 http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/en/drip.html

Article 2 Indigenous peoples and individuals are free and equal to all other peoples and individuals and have the right to be free from any kind of discrimination, in the exercise of their rights, in particular that based on their indigenous origin or identity.

The LDS have not retracted their teaching of Polynesians being more highly favored. They have not retracted their teachings of America's indigenous people being from the fantasy stories of the Book of Mormon. Because the American Indian have not increased their membership numbers in the LDS church, they are still judged to be in "a fallen and degraded state" according to LDS teachings. This moral discrimination is simply because indigenous people exercise their rights based on their own origin and identity.

These Mormon teachings are in conflict with the 1978 Declaration on Race and Racial Prejudice, and contrary to the 2007 Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

Mormonism began with the Book of Mormon. Within its pages is a fictional idea that America's indigenous people had anticipated the birth of Jesus, that he came and visited them in America, they accepted him but later rejected his teachings. This caused them to become devolved and degenerate, wicked, idle and loathsome.

The Book of Mormon also teaches that Europeans would come to America, scatter and nearly destroy the indigenous people because they were no longer Christian. If the Indians become Mormon they will "blossom as a rose". The title page of the Book of Mormon says it is written to America's indigenous people (Lamanites). They can become pure and delightsome if they become LDS (implying that they are impure and unpleasant if they are not Mormon).

Imagine what would be thought of a mainstream church if it taught that the Jewish people deserved the Holocaust because they did not accept Jesus Christ. Why are the Mormon teachings about America's indigenous people any different?

There are approximately 14 million Mormons worldwide. About 6 million live within the United States. Now think about it. A religion of about 14 million people teaches its members a false history concerning approximately 48 million indigenous American people. It degrades the American Indian with these teachings and recognizes them as blessed and improved only if they become Mormon.

An interesting comparison can be made with Mormonism's pseudohistory and another strange claim that the Maori people must deal with.

The Celtic New Zealand hypothesis argues that Celts were in New Zealand first but were destroyed by the wicked Maori when they later arrived.

http://badarchaeology.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/the-%E2%80%9Cmegaliths%E2%80%9D-of-new-zealand/ "not a single shred of credible evidence for pre-Maori settlement has ever been found; although its proponents claim an academic conspiracy to silence them and suppress their discoveries, not only are they able to publish them, any real archaeologist who discovered pre-Maori settlers on the islands would have their career made in an instant!"

An official LDS website publicly maintains that the Book of Mormon is a real history of real people.

http://mormon.org/book-of-mormon/ "the Book of Mormon contains the history and God’s dealings with the people who lived in the Americas between approximately 600 BC and 400 AD. The prophets in the Book of Mormon recorded God's dealings with His people, which were compiled by a prophet named Mormon onto gold plates."

The Maori who are LDS are participating in a Mormon pseudohistory that is just as derogatory toward the American Indian as the Celtic hypothesis is to New Zealand's Maori people.
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Mormonism Ignores The Real Contributions Of America's Indigenous People To The Development Of World Civilizations
Thursday, Sep 29, 2011, at 07:28 AM
Original Author(s): Hoggle
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
In the past few years, the LDS church quietly changed their position from all of America's indigenous people being from BofM ancestors to a new position that allows for including Paleo-Indian ancestors. There was no revelation for this change, and there is no scripture to provide guidance on how to consider the people in America before the Book of Mormon timeline.

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/feb/...
"Unofficially, church leaders have tacitly approved an alternative interpretation of the Book of Mormon by church apologists -- a term used for scholars who defend the faith."

"The latest scholarship, they argue, shows that the text should be interpreted differently. They say the events described in the Book of Mormon were confined to a small section of Central America, and that the Hebrew tribe was small enough that its DNA was swallowed up by the existing Native Americans."

"It would be a virtual certainly that their DNA would be swamped," said Daniel Peterson, a professor of Near Eastern studies at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, part of the worldwide Mormon educational system, and editor of a magazine devoted to Mormon apologetics. "And if that is the case, you couldn't tell who was a Lamanite descendant."
For Mormons though, there is no doubt who some of these descendants are. There is even an LDS owned theme park.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesi...

Mormonism recognizes the Polynesian people's history of inhabiting islands because of the Hagoth tale, but there is only silence on pre-Bible and pre-Book of Mormon timelines of ancient America. Here is a recent example of good recognition for the accomplishments of Polynesians.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/70...
"Polynesians' ancestors were expert at navigating an ocean that takes up a quarter of the Earth's surface."

"To do this, they relied on fixed points such as the stars. They also observed nature, such as the flight habits of birds or they studied clouds."

"As it took other cultures tens of decades to discover other lands, Polynesians were crisscrossing a vast ocean and inhabiting every island that would support life."
Now here is an example for the accomlishments of America's indigenous people that is beyond Mormonism's scriptures and revelation and will not likely be included in LDS teachings anytime soon because much of it happened before the timeline of the Bible.

New Developments in the Origins and Evolution of Native American Populations

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10...
"North and South America were the last large uninhabited landmasses that ice age humans settled. The two continents span all latitudes, harbor all ecological zones, and contain many natural barriers to the free movement of people. Despite the barriers to free movement, archaeology shows that Native American people mastered these challenges and filled the landscape in a narrow time window. By the time Christopher Columbus arrived, Native Americans possessed a rich diversity of cultures and languages that likely arose in situ during the course of population growth and adaptation to new environments."
The BofM tramples on the self-respect and self-esteem of indigenous Americans. It minimizes their role as actors in their own history. It disparages their cultures. The BofM usurps the real contributions of America's indigenous people to the development of world civilizations, and falsely gives credit to fictional people from the Middle East.
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Is Lehi The Father Of The Polynesians?
Monday, Jan 16, 2012, at 07:33 AM
Original Author(s): Simon Southerton
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
Polynesians represent a sizeable and rapidly growing proportion of the Mormon Church in Australia. Of the nations with the highest proportion of Latter-day Saints, six of the top ten are located in Polynesia, including the top four: Tonga (32%), Samoa (25%), American Samoa (25%) and Niue (15%).

At the time I left the church in 1998, virtually all Polynesians I knew believed (or rather knew) they were descended from Lehi. This was because (1) numerous prophets told them they were (2) many had patriarchal blessings that told them they were and that they belonged to the tribe of Manasseh (Lehi's tribe) (3) God essentially told them via numerous temple dedicatory prayers and (4) CES teachers will have indoctrinated many with the belief in their youth.

Lehi's DNA has vanished in the Americas. Sadly, its the same story in the Pacific. Some may be interested in a short post on my blog that describes the real origins of the Polynesians.

http://simonsoutherton.blogspot.com/2...
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Who Are The Lamanites?
Monday, Jan 16, 2012, at 07:35 AM
Original Author(s): Brade
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
From an official publication from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1974:



YOU native Americans who are called Indians - who are you? Where did you come from? Do you know that your ancestors were once a mighty nation upon the American continent?"
AND:
THE Book of Mormon is a history of your people. It is your book.






Those are not the Lamanites you're looking for. Move along.
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LDS Polynesian Cultural Center Changing A Few Things
Thursday, Apr 12, 2012, at 07:07 AM
Original Author(s): Delightsome White Boy
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
Been enjoying the Islands of Hawaii and have been a frequent visitor to the PCC over the last few decades. On the temple tour they used to have a clip showing that all of the islanders originated from Father Lehi. GONE! Several times they mentioned that the early Polynesians had no written language and that is why preserving their song and dance is so important. NO REFORMED EGYPTIAN mentioned anymore!!!

The night show no longer teaches about Joseph Smith's first vision (in Hawaiian). Tourists unknowingly used to get the first discussion in song and dance. It's now more like the Lion King's circle of life theme with islanders.

Several smoking spots were available throughout the park. Caffeinated Pepsi was put in front of all guests To drink with dinner. They also had plenty of coffee available with dessert.

Overall it was a great day with lots of new additions and changes.
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Prophet Follows The Crowd To Create Polynesian Lamanite Doctrine
Thursday, Apr 12, 2012, at 07:11 AM
Original Author(s): Simon Southerton
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
Interestingly, the doctrine that the Polynesians are Lamanites was created by the first missionaries who taught in the Pacific. Joseph Smith made no recorded declarations on the subject.

The first recorded statement by a missionary linking Polynesians with Lehi was in the 1850 missionary diary of Louisa Pratt, wife of Addison Pratt. George Q. Cannon served in Polynesia at the same time and was ordained an apostle in 1860 and later joined the First Presidency.

The prophets jumped on board the myth once they saw how popular it was. It wasn't until 1858 that Brigham Young declared the Polynesians were "of the House of Israel". Now we have the church and its apologists distancing themselves from the myth.

That's what happens when you allow your EMOTIONS to tell you what is TRUE.
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Born Evil
Monday, Apr 23, 2012, at 08:17 AM
Original Author(s): Navajo
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
I was probably in the second grade. The Sunday school teacher in my southern Utah town was giving a lesson from the Book of Mormon to a small class of a few girls. It had to have been in very simple terms since we were so young. I can see now that the lesson was meant to be a self esteem-builder. But it backfired on me. The teacher was trying to show us little girls how much God loved us and how important we are on this earth to do his work. I was barely paying attention since I really wanted to be home watching Rocky and Bullwinkle. I resented missing all my cartoons and being forced to go to church, which I considered boring. But I had no choice in the matter.

That day, however, as the teacher recited the lesson and looked from girl to girl, my attention perked up when she said, "and YOU are all white and delightsome to our lord and he has special plans for you in this world ..." Just then, she came to me and her roving eyes stalled out. She stammered a couple of times because she had forgotten that her rote lesson was being delivered in a class that now included a little brown girl. An Indian that the Book of Mormon (I later found out) describes as bloodthirsty, fierce and loathsome. An Indian whose skin was dark because of a curse from God.

After gulping a couple of times, she said something like "but Neeta here is a Lamanite (the Book of Mormon's name for the descendants of Laman, who was cursed with dark skin for displeasing god) and we welcome her. They too, if they work very hard can go to the Celestial Kingdom." That being the highest of the three kingdoms in heaven. I was told that if I made it to the Celestial Kingdom my skin would turn light.

This promise of skin lightening was commonly preached when I was growing up. In fact, there was a Paiute woman in our town who had vitiligo, "a skin condition in which there is a loss of brown color (pigment) from areas of skin, resulting in irregular white patches that feel like normal skin." My full-blood Navajo mother, Flora, a devoted Mormon, said that one of the bishops had told Mrs. Kanosh that the skin-color change was her reward from God for going to church. My mother was so pleased with this news. She loved anything that pointed to proof the Mormon gospel was true.

Gradually, over the next few years, I learned more of what Joseph Smith (the founder of the church and the author of the Book of Mormon) had said about Indians. We were innately wicked. We converted ones had to be constantly watched against reverting to our evil, heathen ways. This was on top of the church's attitudes toward women. The General Counsel (the church's highest governing body) instructed women to obey their husbands, the priesthood holders. Another instruction I remember: The priesthood holder should love the lord first and then his wife. One really had to accept a lot of demoralization to be female AND BROWN when I was growing up Mormon.

Attitude was bolstered by action. The church's Indian Placement Program ran from 1947 to 1996. Its mission was to remove children from desolate reservations and help them get an education by placing them in Mormon foster homes. Any child involved had to be baptized in order to participate. Nothing subtle about this virtual kidnapping. The church took children away from their homes to assimilate them into Mormon culture.

As the daughter of a Navajo mother and a white father, I straddled two cultures differently than the foster kids. I had many relatives on the reservation and spent much time in the summers there. But it wasn't home. In talking with some of the foster kids, I learned they had a hard time when they were younger. Some didn't want to join the church but were forced into it. They found it difficult to live in two worlds, the white world during the school year and then back on the reservation during the summer. Some of them sadly recounted that they were made fun of back on the reservation because they had lost some of their language and traditional knowledge.

The majority of the Indian students attending school in our town were not foster kids but lived instead at the Indian dormitory on the outskirts. There was no requirement there to join the church. But those kids also told me about being homesick and feeling like an outsider in both worlds.

Today, it's clear to most people that taking young children away from their families and culture is NOT a good thing. In fact, it's terrible. And it happened to 20,000 children in the Mormon church's Indian Placement Program.

These decades-old memories came flooding back to me when I saw a recent report that Lamanite action figures were being sold at the church-owned Deseret Bookstore and online by a private company, Latter Day Designs.

There are three more Lamanite action figures. However, they are good guys and are approved by God for their good works unto him. It's curious though. Shouldn't their skin have been lightened for being such obedient souls? By the way, that hot-buff one is called a Stripling Warrior because he's young. Conveniently, there were exactly 2000 of them in the Book of Mormon for important plot purposes.

http://lehi.com/product_info.php?cPat...

Mormons weren't the only people who believed that the curse of Cain was dark skin. That was once the standard Christian view. But Mormons took it very seriously and barred African Americans from holding the priesthood because of the curse. I was 22 years old in 1978 when the church back-pedaled and allowed black men to hold the priesthood. That was quite a big step in damage control. But the teachings that produced the racist beliefs in the first place have never been officially repudiated. Still, I never thought I'd see African Americans allowed into the priesthood. It was hardly enough to keep me in the church and I left shortly afterward.

All the derogatory descriptions about Lamanites remain in the Book of Mormon in verses like Alma 3:6:

"And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men."

Those descriptions live on in Sunday school lessons and action figures for impressionable Mormon children. It's hard to change the word of God in books like that, so the record on what the Mormons think of Indians is written on golden plates, never to be changed.

How one can be Indian and a member of the Mormon church is completely beyond me.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04...
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It's As If The Church I Grew Up In No Longer Exists
Monday, Feb 10, 2014, at 07:25 AM
Original Author(s): Kori
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
The new LDS Essay on DNA and the Book of Mormon. These are the same old arguments that FARMS and FAIR have made. Nothing new!

DNA & BOM Essay:https://www.lds.org/topics/book-of-mo...

It's as if the church I grew up no longer exists.

It's as if the film I was brainwashed with in my youth and which I in turn used to brainwash people with on my mission, Ancient America Speaks, never existed.

It's as if the introduction to the Book of Mormon never claimed that the Lamanites were the principle ancestors of the American Indian.

It's as if God doesn't refer to Modern Native Americans as Lamanites 10 times in the Doctrine and Covenants.
Doctrine and Covenants 10:48

Yea, and this was their faith–that my gospel, which I gave unto them that they might preach in their days, might come unto their brethren the Lamanites, and also all that had become Lamanites because of their dissensions.

Doctrine and Covenants 19:27

Which is my word to the Gentile, that soon it may go to the Jew, of whom theLamanites are a remnant, that they may believe the gospel, and look not for a Messiah to come who has already come.

Doctrine and Covenants 28:8

And now, behold, I say unto you that you shall go unto the Lamanites and preach my gospel unto them; and inasmuch as they receive thy teachings thou shalt cause my church to be established among them; and thou shalt have revelations, but write them not by way of commandment.

Doctrine and Covenants 28:9

And now, behold, I say unto you that it is not revealed, and no man knoweth where the city Zion shall be built, but it shall be given hereafter. Behold, I say unto you that it shall be on the borders by the Lamanites.

Doctrine and Covenants 28:14

And thou shalt assist to settle all these things, according to the covenants of the church, before thou shalt take thy journey among the Lamanites.

Doctrine and Covenants 30:6

And be you afflicted in all his afflictions, ever lifting up your heart unto me in prayer and faith, for his and your deliverance; for I have given unto him power to build up my church among the Lamanites;

Doctrine and Covenants 32:2

And that which I have appointed unto him is that he shall go with my servants, Oliver Cowdery and Peter Whitmer, Jun., into the wilderness among the Lamanites.

Doctrine and Covenants 49:24

But before the great day of the Lord shall come, Jacob shall flourish in the wilderness, and the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose.

Doctrine and Covenants 54:8

And thus you shall take your journey into the regions westward, unto the land of Missouri, unto the borders of the Lamanites.
It's convenient that the Lords annointed liars finally admit the patently obvious, that the DNA evidence proves Native Americans are not Jews (aka "Lamanites") but unfortunately that makes God a liar, since he does refer to Native Americans as "Lamanites" 11 times in the Doctrine and Covenants alone.

We're not the crazy ones.

The ones who have been accusing us of being crazy, are either delusional or lying through their teeth.
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The Polynesian Cultural Center
Wednesday, Apr 9, 2014, at 07:30 AM
Original Author(s): Abelup
Topic: LAMANITES   -Link To MC Article-
This fact is well warranted at this time as the Mormon religion, (commonly known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) is planning their 50th reunion of the Polynesian Cultural Center in September of 2013. This pseudo religion is a sophisticated savoir-faire business organization, with non-transparent, self government of vast schema of corrupted commercial enterprises, and glimmers of promises for "The Chosen People"-The Polynesians a place in the Celestial Kingdom. I hold immense resentment, indignation and anger towards the Mormon Church in Laie and throughout the islands of Hawaii. The Mormon Church has excavated the Polynesian culture of its spiritual serenity and has no vested interest in the preservation and or the foundation of the Polynesian Cultural Center or the recently eliminated institution of Higher Education, Church College of Hawaii.

The Mormon religion's ambition in Hawaii is to harvest the Hawaiian and Polynesian populations of their money, land, and talent for their gain. This is my story!!!!!

What the Mormon Church owns in Hawaii and how much money their business enterprise rakes in under the disguise of "not for profit," is beyond one's imagination. The Mormon Church runs several for-profit real estate arms that own, develop, and manage malls, parking lots, office parks, residential buildings, and more. Hawaii Reserves, for example, owns or manages more than 7,000 acres on Oahu, where it maintains commercial and residential buildings, parks, water and sewage infrastructure, and two cemeteries. Take for example, the Polynesian Culture Center, a very lucrative business (PCC), a 42-acre tropical theme park on Oahu's north shore that hosts luaus, canoe rides, and tours through seven simulated Polynesian villages. General-admission adult tickets cost $49.95; VIP tickets cost up to $228.95. In 2010 PCC had net assets worth $70 million dollars and collected $23 million in ticket sales alone, as well as $36 million in tax-free donations. The PCC's president, meanwhile, received a salary of $296,000, while the workers make minimum wages. At the local level, PCC opened in 1963, began paying commercial property taxes in 1992, when the Land and Tax Appeal Court of Hawaii ruled that the theme park "is not for charitable purposes" and is, in fact, a "commercial enterprise and business undertaking." Nevertheless, the tourist destination remains exempt from federal taxes because PCC claims to be a "living museum" and an education-oriented charity that employs students who work at the center to pay their way through church-run Brigham Young University-Hawaii. In its 50 years of operation PCC has netted tax free money of approximately 1 billion dollars and that money does not remain in Laie or Hawaii for the betterment of Hawaiian and Polynesian culture or people. All money is wired directly to Salt Lake City daily.

Two years ago the Mormon Church completed an ambitious project: a megamall. Built for roughly $2 billion, the City Creek Center stands directly across the street from the church's iconic neo-Gothic temple in Salt Lake City. The mall includes a retractable glass roof, 5,000 underground parking spots, and nearly 100 stores and restaurants, ranging from Tiffany's to Forever 21. Walkways link the open-air emporium with the church's perfectly manicured headquarters on Temple Square. Macy's is a stone's throw from the offices of the church's president, Thomas S. Monson, whom Mormons believe to be a living prophet.

Watching a religious leader celebrate a mall may seem surreal, but City Creek reflects the spirit of business enterprise, similar to PCC in Hawaii that animates modern-day Mormonism-making money at the expense of others. The mall is part of a sprawling church-owned corporate empire that the Mormon leadership says is helping spread its message, increasing economic self-reliance, and building the Kingdom of God on earth. Deseret Management Corp. (DMC), an umbrella organization for many of the church's for-profit businesses. "We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually."

The Mormon business enterprise has only one purpose, fill church coffers.

It's perhaps unsurprising that Mormonism-a secretive pseudo-religion, also adopts the country's secular faith in money. What is remarkable is how varied the church's business interests are and that so little is known about its financial interests, even to its members who pay tith and other monthly offering. Although a former Mormon bishop received the Republican Party's presidential nomination, and despite a recent public-relations campaign aimed at combating the perception that it is "secretive," the LDS Church remains tight-lipped about its holdings. It offers little financial transparency even to its members, who are required to tithe 10 percent of their income to gain access to Mormon temples.

Mormons make up only 1.4 percent of the U.S. population, but the church's holdings are vast. First among its for-profit enterprises is DMC, which reaps estimated annual revenue of $1.2 billion from six subsidiaries, according to the business information and analysis firm. Those subsidiaries run a newspaper, 11 radio stations, a TV station, a publishing and Distribution Company, a digital media company, a hospitality business, and an insurance business with assets worth $3.3 billion.

AgReserves, another for-profit Mormon umbrella company, together with other church-run agricultural affiliates, reportedly owns about 1 million acres in the continental U.S., on which the church has farms, hunting preserves, orchards, and ranches (Jesus was not a hunter). These include the $1 billion, 290,000-acre Deseret Ranches in Florida, which, in addition to keeping 44,000 cows and 1,300 bulls, also has citrus, sod, and timber operations. Outside the U.S., AgReserves operates in Britain, Canada, Australia, Mexico, Argentina, and Brazil. Its Australian property, valued at $61 million in 1997, has estimated annual sales of $276 million, according to Dun & Bradstreet.

"There are religious groups that own radio stations, but they don't also own cattle ranches. There are religious groups that own retreats, but they don't also own insurance companies. Given their array of corporate interests, it would probably make more sense to refer to them as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Holdings Inc."

As a religious organization, the LDS Church enjoys several tax advantages. The church also doesn't pay taxes on donated funds and holdings. Mitt Romney and others at Bain Capital, the private equity firm he co-founded in 1984, gave the Mormon Church millions' worth of stock holdings obtained through Bain deals, according to Reuters. Between 1997 and 2009, these included $2 million in Burger King and $1 million in Domino's Pizza shares. Under U.S. law, churches can legally turn around and sell donated stock without paying capital-gains taxes, a clear advantage for both donor and receiver. The church also makes money through various investment vehicles, including a trust company and an investment fund called Ensign Peak Advisors, which employs managers who specialize in international equities, cash management, fixed income, quantitative investment, and emerging markets, according to profiles on LinkedIn. Public information on Ensign Peak is sparse. In 2006 one of the fund's vice presidents, Laurence R. Stay, told the Mormon-run Deseret News, "As we trade securities, all of the trading happens essentially with a handshake. . There's lots of protections around it, but billions of dollars change hands every day just based on the ethics of the group-that people know that they can trust each other."

According to U.S. law, religions have no obligation to open their books to the public, and the LDS Church officially stopped reporting any finances in the early 1960s. In 1997 an investigation by Time used cross-religious comparisons and internal information to estimate the church's total value at $30 billion. The magazine also produced an estimate that $5 billion worth of tithing flows into the church annually, and that it owned at least $6 billion in stocks and bonds.

LDS Inc. indirectly through Ensign Peak Adisors Inc. is invested in this wonderful company.

Proof of their investment.

http://fibria.infoinvest.com.br/enu/5...

The wonderful and marvelous company from Brazil LDS Inc. owns part of.

"Despite the numerous studies identifying its territories made public in the past 7 or 8 years, Fibria continues to infringe the territorial rights of the Quilombola communities located in the north of Espíritu Santo. The State (5)(and, unofficially, the company itself!) has already admitted the occupation, by Fibria, of state-owned lands (6) . Nonetheless, the legal actions by the company are still the main obstacle standing in the way of a proper and agile process towards the land ownership legalization procedures for Quilombola territories. The company has gone as far as supporting a racist campaign through its own allies, rural land-owners who have constituted a group called “Movimento Paz no Campo” (MPC – Rural Peace Movement), a sort of regional UDR (7) , to oppose the demarcation of Quilombola territories. In the meantime, rivers and streams vanished and submerged amidst eucalyptus plantations drive communities towards a serious water crisis that directly affects food safety, as admitted by the Councilfor Food Safety, and the Committee on Human Rights relative to Adequate Nutrition."

http://wrm.org.uy/actions-and-campaig...

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  · ADAM GOD DOCTRINE (4)
  · APOLOGISTS (54)
  · ARTICLES OF FAITH (1)
  · BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD (31)
  · BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - PEOPLE (16)
  · BLACKS AND MORMONISM (12)
  · BLACKS AND THE PRIESTHOOD (11)
  · BLOOD ATONEMENT (4)
  · BOB BENNETT (1)
  · BOB MCCUE - SECTION 1 (25)
  · BOB MCCUE - SECTION 2 (25)
  · BOB MCCUE - SECTION 3 (25)
  · BOB MCCUE - SECTION 4 (25)
  · BOB MCCUE - SECTION 5 (25)
  · BOB MCCUE - SECTION 6 (19)
  · BONNEVILLE COMMUNICATIONS (2)
  · BOOK OF ABRAHAM (51)
  · BOOK OF MORMON - SECTION 1 (25)
  · BOOK OF MORMON - SECTION 2 (25)
  · BOOK OF MORMON - SECTION 3 (16)
  · BOOK OF MORMON EVIDENCES (18)
  · BOOK OF MORMON GEOGRAPHY (24)
  · BOOK OF MORMON WITNESSES (5)
  · BOOK REVIEW - ROUGH STONE ROLLING (28)
  · BOOKS - AUTHORS AND DESCRIPTIONS (12)
  · BOOKS - COMMENTS AND REVIEWS - SECTION 1 (26)
  · BOOKS - COMMENTS AND REVIEWS - SECTION 2 (18)
  · BOY SCOUTS (22)
  · BOYD K. PACKER (33)
  · BRIAN C. HALES (1)
  · BRIGHAM YOUNG (24)
  · BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY - SECTION 1 (25)
  · BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY - SECTION 2 (29)
  · BRUCE C. HAFEN (4)
  · BRUCE D. PORTER (1)
  · BRUCE R. MCCONKIE (10)
  · CALLINGS (11)
  · CATHOLIC CHURCH (5)
  · CHANGING DOCTRINE (14)
  · CHILDREN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 1 (24)
  · CHILDREN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2 (24)
  · CHRIS BUTTARS (1)
  · CHURCH LEADERSHIP (3)
  · CHURCH PROPAGANDA - SECTION 1 (5)
  · CHURCH PUBLISHED MAGAZINES (54)
  · CHURCH TEACHING MANUALS (10)
  · CHURCH VAULTS (4)
  · CITY CREEK CENTER (23)
  · CIVIL UNIONS (14)
  · CLEON SKOUSEN (3)
  · COGNITIVE DISSONANCE (2)
  · COMEDY - SECTION 1 (24)
  · COMEDY - SECTION 2 (21)
  · COMEDY - SECTION 3 (24)
  · COMEDY - SECTION 4 (22)
  · COMEDY - SECTION 5 (37)
  · CONCISE DICTIONARY OF MORMONISM (14)
  · D. MICHAEL QUINN (1)
  · D. TODD CHRISTOFFERSON (6)
  · DALLIN H. OAKS (103)
  · DANIEL C. PETERSON (89)
  · DANITES (4)
  · DAVID A. BEDNAR (24)
  · DAVID O. MCKAY (9)
  · DAVID R. STONE (1)
  · DAVID WHITMER (1)
  · DELBERT L. STAPLEY (1)
  · DESERET NEWS (3)
  · DIETER F. UCHTDORF (13)
  · DNA (24)
  · DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS (8)
  · DON JESSE (2)
  · ELAINE S. DALTON (5)
  · EMMA SMITH (5)
  · ENSIGN PEAK (1)
  · ERICH W. KOPISCHKE (1)
  · EX-MORMON FOUNDATION (33)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 1 (35)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 10 (24)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 11 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 12 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 13 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 14 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 15 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 16 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 17 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 18 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 19 (26)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 2 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 20 (24)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 21 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 22 (24)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 23 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 24 (31)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 3 (24)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 4 (24)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 5 (23)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 6 (24)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 7 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 8 (24)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 9 (26)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 1 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 10 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 11 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 12 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 13 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 14 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 15 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 16 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 17 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 18 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 19 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 2 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 20 (24)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 21 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 22 (24)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 23 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 24 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 25 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 26 (62)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 3 (21)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 4 (22)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 5 (24)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 6 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 7 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 8 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 9 (26)
  · EXCOMMUNICATION AND COURTS OF LOVE (19)
  · EZRA TAFT BENSON (30)
  · FACIAL HAIR (6)
  · FAIR / MADD - APOLOGETICS - SECTION 1 (25)
  · FAIR / MADD - APOLOGETICS - SECTION 2 (24)
  · FAIR / MADD - APOLOGETICS - SECTION 3 (21)
  · FAITH PROMOTING RUMORS (11)
  · FARMS (30)
  · FIRST VISION (23)
  · FOOD STORAGE (3)
  · FUNDAMENTALIST LDS (17)
  · GENERAL AUTHORITIES (30)
  · GENERAL CONFERENCE (15)
  · GENERAL NEWS (5)
  · GEORGE P. LEE (1)
  · GORDON B. HINCKLEY (68)
  · GRANT PALMER (8)
  · GREGORY L. SMITH (9)
  · GUNNISON MASSACRE (1)
  · H. DAVID BURTON (2)
  · HAROLD B. LEE (1)
  · HATE MAIL I RECEIVE (23)
  · HAUNS MILL (2)
  · HBO BIG LOVE (12)
  · HEBER C. KIMBALL (4)
  · HELEN RADKEY (17)
  · HELLEN MAR KIMBALL (4)
  · HENRY B. EYRING (5)
  · HOLIDAYS (13)
  · HOME AND VISITING TEACHING (9)
  · HOWARD W. HUNTER (1)
  · HUGH NIBLEY (13)
  · HYMNS (7)
  · INTERVIEWS IN MORMONISM (18)
  · J REUBEN CLARK (1)
  · JAMES E. FAUST (7)
  · JEFF LINDSAY (6)
  · JEFFREY MELDRUM (1)
  · JEFFREY R. HOLLAND (34)
  · JEFFREY S. NIELSEN (11)
  · JOHN GEE (3)
  · JOHN L. LUND (3)
  · JOHN L. SORENSON (4)
  · JOHN TAYLOR (1)
  · JOSEPH B. WIRTHLIN (1)
  · JOSEPH F. SMITH (1)
  · JOSEPH FIELDING SMITH (8)
  · JOSEPH SITATI (1)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY - SECTION 1 (21)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY - SECTION 2 (23)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - PROPHECY (8)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - SECTION 1 (25)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - SECTION 2 (23)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - SECTION 3 (22)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - SECTION 4 (31)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - SEER STONES (7)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - WORSHIP (13)
  · JUDAISM (3)
  · JULIE B. BECK (6)
  · KEITH B. MCMULLIN (1)
  · KERRY MUHLESTEIN (9)
  · KERRY SHIRTS (6)
  · KINDERHOOK PLATES (6)
  · KIRTLAND BANK (6)
  · KIRTLAND EGYPTIAN PAPERS (17)
  · L. TOM PERRY (5)
  · LAMANITE PLACEMENT PROGRAM (3)
  · LAMANITES (37)
  · LANCE B. WICKMAN (1)
  · LARRY ECHO HAWK (1)
  · LDS CHURCH - SECTION 1 (20)
  · LDS CHURCH OFFICE BUILDING (9)
  · LDS OFFICIAL ESSAYS (26)
  · LDS SOCIAL SERVICES (3)
  · LGBT - AND MORMONISM - SECTION 1 (44)
  · LORENZO SNOW (1)
  · LOUIS C. MIDGLEY (6)
  · LYNN A. MICKELSEN (2)
  · LYNN G. ROBBINS (1)
  · M. RUSSELL BALLARD (13)
  · MARK E. PETERSON (8)
  · MARK HOFFMAN (12)
  · MARLIN K. JENSEN (3)
  · MARRIOTT (2)
  · MARTIN HARRIS (5)
  · MASONS (16)
  · MELCHIZEDEK/AARONIC PRIESTHOOD (9)
  · MERRILL J. BATEMAN (3)
  · MICHAEL R. ASH (26)
  · MISSIONARIES - SECTION 1 (25)
  · MISSIONARIES - SECTION 2 (25)
  · MISSIONARIES - SECTION 3 (25)
  · MISSIONARIES - SECTION 4 (25)
  · MISSIONARIES - SECTION 5 (25)
  · MISSIONARIES - SECTION 6 (20)
  · MITT ROMNEY (71)
  · MORE GOOD FOUNDATION (4)
  · MORMON CELEBRITIES (14)
  · MORMON CHURCH HISTORY (8)
  · MORMON CHURCH PR (13)
  · MORMON CLASSES (1)
  · MORMON DOCTRINE (35)
  · MORMON FUNERALS (12)
  · MORMON GARMENTS (20)
  · MORMON HANDCARTS (12)
  · MORMON INTERPRETER (4)
  · MORMON MARRIAGE EXCLUSIONS (1)
  · MORMON MEMBERSHIP (38)
  · MORMON MONEY - SECTION 1 (25)
  · MORMON MONEY - SECTION 2 (25)
  · MORMON MONEY - SECTION 3 (24)
  · MORMON NEWSROOM (5)
  · MORMON POLITICAL ISSUES (5)
  · MORMON RACISM (18)
  · MORMON TEMPLE CEREMONIES (39)
  · MORMON TEMPLE CHANGES (15)
  · MORMON TEMPLES - SECTION 1 (25)
  · MORMON TEMPLES - SECTION 2 (25)
  · MORMON TEMPLES - SECTION 3 (24)
  · MORMON TEMPLES - SECTION 4 (42)
  · MORMON VISITOR CENTERS (10)
  · MORMON WARDS AND STAKE CENTERS (1)
  · MORMONTHINK (13)
  · MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE (21)
  · MURPHY TRANSCRIPT (1)
  · NATALIE R. COLLINS (11)
  · NAUVOO (3)
  · NAUVOO EXPOSITOR (2)
  · NEAL A. MAXWELL - SECTION 1 (1)
  · NEAL A. MAXWELL INSTITUTE (1)
  · NEIL L. ANDERSEN - SECTION 1 (3)
  · NEW ORDER MORMON (8)
  · OBEDIENCE - PAY, PRAY, OBEY (15)
  · OBJECT LESSONS (15)
  · OLIVER COWDREY (6)
  · ORRIN HATCH (10)
  · PARLEY P. PRATT (11)
  · PATRIARCHAL BLESSING (5)
  · PAUL H. DUNN (5)
  · PBS DOCUMENTARY THE MORMONS (20)
  · PERSECUTION (9)
  · PIONEER DAY (3)
  · PLAN OF SALVATION (5)
  · POLYGAMY - SECTION 1 (22)
  · POLYGAMY - SECTION 2 (23)
  · POLYGAMY - SECTION 3 (15)
  · PRIESTHOOD BLESSINGS (1)
  · PRIESTHOOD EXECUTIVE MEETING (0)
  · PRIMARY (1)
  · PROCLAMATIONS (1)
  · PROPOSITION 8 (21)
  · PROPOSITION 8 COMMENTS (11)
  · QUENTIN L. COOK (11)
  · RELIEF SOCIETY (14)
  · RESIGNATION PROCESS (28)
  · RICHARD E. TURLEY, JR. (6)
  · RICHARD G. HINCKLEY (2)
  · RICHARD G. SCOTT (8)
  · RICHARD LYMAN BUSHMAN (11)
  · ROBERT D. HALES (5)
  · ROBERT L. MILLET (7)
  · RODNEY L. MELDRUM (15)
  · ROYAL SKOUSEN (2)
  · RUNTU'S RINCON (79)
  · RUSSELL M. NELSON (14)
  · SACRAMENT MEETING (11)
  · SALT LAKE TRIBUNE (1)
  · SCOTT D. WHITING (1)
  · SCOTT GORDON (5)
  · SEMINARY (5)
  · SERVICE AND CHARITY (24)
  · SHERI L. DEW (3)
  · SHIELDS RESEARCH - MORMON APOLOGETICS (4)
  · SIDNEY RIGDON (7)
  · SIMON SOUTHERTON (34)
  · SPAULDING MANUSCRIPT (8)
  · SPENCER W. KIMBALL (12)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 1 (18)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 10 (17)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 11 (15)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 12 (19)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 13 (21)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 14 (17)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 15 (12)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 2 (21)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 3 (18)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 4 (25)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 5 (22)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 6 (19)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 7 (15)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 8 (13)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 9 (19)
  · STORIES - SECTION 1 (1)
  · SUNSTONE FOUNDATION (2)
  · SURVEILLANCE (SCMC) (12)
  · TAD R. CALLISTER (4)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 1 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 2 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 3 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 4 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 5 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 6 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 7 (9)
  · TALKS - SECTION 1 (1)
  · TEMPLE WEDDINGS (6)
  · TEMPLES - NAMES (1)
  · TERRYL GIVENS (1)
  · THE PEARL OF GREAT PRICE (1)
  · THE SINGLE WARDS (5)
  · THE WORLD TABLE (3)
  · THOMAS PHILLIPS (26)
  · THOMAS S. MONSON (33)
  · TIME (4)
  · TITHING - SECTION 1 (25)
  · TITHING - SECTION 2 (25)
  · TITHING - SECTION 3 (22)
  · UGO PEREGO (5)
  · UK COURTS (7)
  · UNNANOUNCED, UNINVITED AND UNWELCOME (36)
  · UTAH LIGHTHOUSE MINISTRY (3)
  · VALERIE HUDSON (3)
  · VAN HALE (16)
  · VAUGHN J. FEATHERSTONE (1)
  · VIDEOS (30)
  · WARD CLEANING (4)
  · WARREN SNOW (1)
  · WELFARE - SECTION 1 (0)
  · WENDY L. WATSON (7)
  · WHITE AND DELIGHTSOME (11)
  · WILFORD WOODRUFF (6)
  · WILLIAM HAMBLIN (12)
  · WILLIAM LAW (1)
  · WILLIAM SCHRYVER (5)
  · WILLIAM WINES PHELPS (3)
  · WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 1 (24)
  · WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2 (25)
  · WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 3 (37)
  · WORD OF WISDOM (7)
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